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 No.2725[Reply]

post some pics n00bz
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 No.2738

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>>2737
I see. I haven't seen Lain in a while. I've meant to rewatch it for a long time now, but I just always would rather do something else than turn on my television. I've been having a kick looking back at media like Lain and seeing how archaic it is, not archaic in the sense of nothing it says being meaningful anymore, but archaic in its ideas of what the internet really is. I've been looking through a lot of writings on the internet, mainly the 1970s-1980s era. On the one hand these works can be profound in what they say about technology and society, and remain relevant today as revered works, but on the other hand it's kind of obvious these were written when hacking rarely involved more than blowing a whistle into a phone or something. Even Lain, which is much newer than those, shows its age a lot. Take even calling it the Wired, for example. The point of all the wires, of course, was to show the scope of connection the internet brought about, by emblematic of it's sheer size, but we live in a world now where a lot of people look at you funny for even using an ethernet cord, where connection happens in the air all around us now and is not confined to metal lines, so the image of Lain wrapped in wires hints more towards her being an old, rusty machine by modern parlance. It feels like the world that wrote the Arthruian epics and the world that wrote Lain have a lot more in common than the world that wrote Lain and the world I live in now. Lain was written right on that cusp of everything changing forever, but not quite there yet.

Lain being newer than those other works gives it the one advantage of showing just how ubiquitous the internet is. There is a kind of frustration in reading older cyberpunk works (or interacting with newer works based off of them) in that they understood the implications of something like the internet existing and yet failed to see just how ubiquitous it is; they believed the internet would only ever really be obsessed over by a relatively small group of punks who intimately knew how it functioned battling against the evil corporations that define its existence. Kind of hilarious to type. By 1998, this being quite the opposite of how it worked was a bit more obvious, I suppose. I really wish I could find more works that were both deeply familiar with what the internet and computers actually are and had a realistic (by modern reaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2738

>On the one hand these works can be profound in what they say about technology and society, and remain relevant today as revered works, but on the other hand it's kind of obvious these were written when hacking rarely involved more than blowing a whistle into a phone or something.

i totally agree, some of the stuff in said works just doesn't make any sense or even comes off as ridiculous, considering that we know what direction technology took after the piece was written. though a lot of stuff presented in SE:L does make sense even now - for example you can compare the Psyche to a GPU/TPU chip or some kind of FPGA, Protocol 7 being something like IPv6(sorta?) but even more advanced, and i think that Navi series of machines are inspired by both Apple and Sun Microsystems/Oracle, Copland OS looks like something that would come out of one of these companies. same goes regarding hacking - it does look weird and doesn't always make sense, but it's presented reasonably enough to show the general idea of the process even today.

>but we live in a world now where a lot of people look at you funny for even using an ethernet cord, where connection happens in the air all around us now and is not confined to metal lines, so the image of Lain wrapped in wires hints more towards her being an old, rusty machine by modern parlance.

i wouldn't exactly say that. sure, the majority of the people on earth are using wireless connections from their end devices to the routers or WAPs to access their networks, primarily the internet - but everything further down the path is wires, from your home GPON/DSL/DOCSIS connection to underwater intercontinental interconnection cables - so i think it's still perfectly acceptable to call it the wired, if you wish. however, i do understand your reasoning here, since most of the people are indifferent to the infrastructure that allows them to use the internet and they only pay attention to the convenience of 802.11 as end users, and that's pretty much all that they ever use for connection nowadays - most don't even have a desktop PC anymore.

>remember a post I saw a time ago - maybe it was here even - that talked about how Lain was a god in the sense of the Egyptian gods, that the Egyptians didn't really believe there was thisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2739
I think most people view the wires as something we put down a long time ago and just kind of have to deal with. Modern internet is very cellular, and often these towers all bum off of just one tower that has a physical connection to the internet lines when they have to, exchanging information with each other back and forth otherwise. Also, as you point out, computers are going more mobile - the thought of the phone as the work computer is a few years old at this point. Nonetheless, the truth is that the Internet is home in those wires, so perhaps the wants and desires of the people and their infrastructure mean nothing when put up against that.

The comparison to modern architecture is really one of the main contributors to aging a work. In current year, the idea that a computer might not have a specific processing unit for graphics and instead just work off of a board for video, and that one would have to imagine the processing unit as some kind of future technology with a different name, just sounds ridiculous, absolute steampunk behavior by modern standards. Then again, though, some of that kind of archaic hardware implementation persists to this day. I was surprised to see that sound cards are still manufactured and have a dedicated user base. Though, of course, I don't hold all of that against Lain; as I said, I don't know a work past or present so good at combining technical knowledge and cultural knowledge when it comes to computers and the Internet. It's like the Web is such an eldritch being that no one can understand it.

With all of that said, I am curious as to why exactly Zoomers grabbed on to the show like the have. At this point, it's been too persistent to merely label it as random algorithm trends. Lain has always, it seems, been a kind of dogwhistle for the terminally online, something you show to let others know you're one of those people who has lived and who will die online. When I say that, though, I think of contemporary examples of living and dying on the internet, and they seem to not really resonate with the image of Lain, both as the people they are and when the situation they are in is examined. You would think that Zoomers would move on from Lain, so to speak, to something that more literally resembles their internet selves, but there is something that makes her ever relevant. I feel again my ignorance is trying to pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2740

>Nonetheless, the truth is that the Internet is home in those wires, so perhaps the wants and desires of the people and their infrastructure mean nothing when put up against that.

yes, i believe that to be true as well. also, it's very interesting how zoomers are starting to pick up on proper home computing - not all of them, of course, but you can see more and more pictures of homelab setups or even entire server racks assembled in someone's room, for different reasons and purposes. i don't know whether it was a similar thing before with previous generations, but i can somewhat compare it to the rise of microcomputers back in the 80s and early 90s, when some portion of the youth got access to Commodores and ZX Spectrums and whatnot. but since now the hardware is much more potent and relatively cheaper than it used to be, and many forums and discussion groups existing - it's way simpler to get into home computing today than 40 years ago or so.

>Then again, though, some of that kind of archaic hardware implementation persists to this day. I was surprised to see that sound cards are still manufactured and have a dedicated user base.
>Though, of course, I don't hold all of that against Lain; as I said, I don't know a work past or present so good at combining technical knowledge and cultural knowledge when it comes to computers and the Internet.

well, a lot of the standards and systems that we still use to this day in a newer version were developed around the time SE:L came out, late 90s and somewhat into the 00s - like PCI(1997, PCI Express came out in 2003), SATA(2000), Gigabit Ethernet(June 1998, funnily enough), and of course, WWW(1994). it's not really archaic, it's just that the computer marked shifted from professionals and enthusiasts to the average consumer, so the tech had to get smaller and simpler to interact with, in fact making it way more complex internally. so the things evolved rapidly since then, sure, but we are still using a lot of stuff that was working pretty much the same way 25-30 years ago, if not earlier. i mean, hell - commercial UNIX is still a thing, not to say about it's direct(BSD) and indirect(Linux) successors. though, maybe it's just me seeing it differently because most of my work is associated with hardwarPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Everything you've said so far seems to make sense, at least to me, hah. Most of the people I know who run home servers like that are just data hoarders. I know one guy who actually hosts a server to stream movies from himself, but otherwise it's just space for people to download a bunch of stuff. Usually it's movies and shows, but it can also be YouTube videos, video games, books, drawings and photographs, along with other random software and such. At least from my experience. I joined on the hoarding train myself in an attempt to help preserve a certain website that ceased hosting recently, but I'm using a measly 12 TB drive for that. Most people I know start at 32 for their collections, usually in 4-8 TB segments and with at least one complete set of 4-8 TB backup drives. It's all about data preservation. I also know a lot of people who like to collect computers, open them up and upgrade them and mess with their OS, et cetera. It's quite depressing, though, because they seem to not know a lot about how computers work - they couldn't build their own operating software or anything like that, certainly, and even I surpass their knowledge in diagnostics sometimes, which gives me secondhand embarrassment, haha. That's just my experience though.

My experience with old computers is a lot of what informs my opinions on computing evolution, I guess. I don't really know what a GPU is, but I know enough about it for personal maintenance, like what connections might need to be resoldered if it stops working, et cetera. A sound card from 1994 or such seems to hold no similarities with the modern incarnation; none of my knowledge of the modern thing is able to be backported, I don't know what I'm looking at. Though, I'm kind of just ill and obsessed, and that wouldn't hold a candle to professionally working with the hardware; I don't mean to talk over you in that regard.

I think software has always been rapidly changing, hasn't it? I don't think there was even ten years of difference between Microsoft BASIC and Apple's GUI operating software. There's hundreds of examples of that kind of thing. I think a timely microcosm would be Adobe Flash. Flash Internet and Post-Flash Internet are nigh incomparable in a lot of senses, not just on how they operate but how the culture interacted with the software. I also think you understate the demographics change a bit; it's not just that the product became mainstream, it's that it became ubiquitous. Ten years agPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.8417

understand this for your future endeavors

 No.8426

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read every number
(actually this is intriguing i think i see a pattern but idk)

 No.8441

>>8440
ke riko oie
ToT

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 No.8469

frontpage


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 No.8460[Reply]

Perhaps I can help keep this imageboard alive. Call me Diod. I am a young woman who makes politically extreme video essays (no facefagging, just meme slideshows) and I need your input.

My goal is to merge the algorithms. Anarchists, communists, fascists, propertarians, liberals, conservatives, etc… must all see each others view points. The truth is that the algorithms are already merging in a sense, as we can tell from the shared linguistics being used from the left and right (leftists say 'goyslop' and rightwingers say 'lived experience'!)

I am here to accelerate this process that is currently in motion, in a directed, smoother way. I think my video essays can serve as a means to accomplish this. Through aggressive cross-posting in vastly different spaces, people from all different backgrounds will come together and learn about/discuss the ideas presented in the videos. I know I can contribute to a more intellectually focused, calmer culture online. What do you think? https://youtu.be/PPad5LADvo0

 No.8466

Will check them out later today and let you know. But you came to the wrong place if you want advertisement, this board is dead as hell.

 No.8467

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>>8460
i think it would be easier to unite people without politics being involved


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 No.8401[Reply]

Out of the loop.Cool picrel is cool.

 No.8428

got raided by a soyjak party splinter

 No.8444

This place has been raided many times.

 No.8449

this place has been dead for as long as i can remember


/cy/

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 No.3208[Reply]

is linux still cyberpunk or do i need to switch to the BSDs? i wanna be hip with the kids
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 No.3210

>>3209
it's that bad huh :|

 No.3211

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OpenBSD is amazing, but people haven't catched up because the average is retarded. You're not gonna hip with anyone.

>>3209
Lain over here complains about firefox issues but they are to be expected, that's what happens when you use retarded software. Sadly Firefox is a must most of the time.

Other than that, non-retarded software works fine and the package selection is pretty good if you ask me. You may find minor inconveniences on the software side and major inconviniences with hardware drivers (what happened to me).

Don't chicken from trying because OpenBSD is the easiest thing to set up

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>>3211
I'll explain myself a little bit more:
OpenBSD has nice features and lacks a ton of features (which is good, actually). It has a nice shell and it's a true minimalist. The package manager has a pretty good selection of software, most good apps are available and if not, you can just compile programs yourself.

There are hardware related issues here and there, it's whatever. That's the only real holdup. If you can handle those, I encourage the change

 No.3213

>>3212
>true minimalist
I mean that it doesn't have SoystemD and the core of the system is extremely minimal compared to Linux.

 No.3217

>>3208
does any linux distro support CS6 or older physical adobe library of tools? yeah yeah big tech and whatever but they make a damn good product and it's nice to use


/lain/

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 No.2718[Reply]

First

 No.2719

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We're gonna lain you, buddy.

 No.2724

lain


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 No.8446[Reply]

One.

 No.8459

>>8451
Femboy addict!


/cy/

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 No.3214[Reply]

Shortform video is a digital opiate and chatbots are a digital propsychotic. What would a digital stimulant look like?

 No.3215

I don't know that a digital stimulant is possible. If you try to overload the brain sensors a la TikTok, you end up backfiring and causing lethargy. If you try to knock a specific method of sensory really hard a la Ryoji Ikeda, you really only end up driving the person crazy. You would somehow have to hit motivating neurons in a wide manner without exceeding their capacity and/or hit them in a way that inspires healthy action and not geeking out and collecting flashlights or something.

 No.3216

A bunch of colorful flashes and random sounds coming from a screen. This is what comes to my mind when I think about a digital stimulant.


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 No.8400[Reply]

No one is here…..
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 No.8436

>>8435
if you're here and i'm here then we're here!

 No.8437

yet no one is here

 No.8439

Eh, couple peeps pop by occasionally. That's the appeal~

 No.8445

I forget to check this place.

 No.8458

I'm here. I forgot wirechan for a while, but I always come back.


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 No.8454[Reply]

if you dont know the context it isnt for you
i wont reply to this

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 No.1186[Reply]

first post of the imageboard

wordswordswords

 No.1187

>>1186
NO SOY FAN DE EPSTEIN, CARNAL
NO SOY FAN DE CUTIES, CARNAL

 No.1188

better than anime tbqh


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 No.2723[Reply]

I hope dysphoric lainanon is hanging in there, wherever they are.

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 No.740[Reply]

are there no back ups from before the jak raid? there was some pretty good threads on /cy/ and elsewhere. I miss them already.
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I nabbed this before the raiders destroyed it, but eto vce.

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>>747
oh wow i see myself in the second picrel :]

 No.828

boomp

 No.852

really? no back ups? admin didn't think to save anything?

 No.853

>>852
Nope, it's been like this for years.


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 No.485[Reply]

reviving my thread from before we got wiped
what do you think about thelema? personally i''ve read the holy books and find it really intriguing

 No.487

I don't see Crowley as a benign figure.


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 No.486[Reply]

>>Who is the Nobody?
>The Nobody is a figure alive today who has extraordinary spiritual powers, including the ability to control reality with their conscious and unconscious mind. He is a man of no wealth or worldly acclaim through whom it seems God has chosen to manifest his strength and wisdom. He is said to carry the Logos, making him a fearless truth-teller and a menace to the powers that be.

so, what are these /ng/ threads on 4chan's /x/ about anyways? i've been a 4chan user since forever and i still don't get what any of this is supposed to mean

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