/lain/ - lain.iwakura

>>2740

>Nonetheless, the truth is that the Internet is home in those wires, so perhaps the wants and desires of the people and their infrastructure mean nothing when put up against that.

yes, i believe that to be true as well. also, it's very interesting how zoomers are starting to pick up on proper home computing - not all of them, of course, but you can see more and more pictures of homelab setups or even entire server racks assembled in someone's room, for different reasons and purposes. i don't know whether it was a similar thing before with previous generations, but i can somewhat compare it to the rise of microcomputers back in the 80s and early 90s, when some portion of the youth got access to Commodores and ZX Spectrums and whatnot. but since now the hardware is much more potent and relatively cheaper than it used to be, and many forums and discussion groups existing - it's way simpler to get into home computing today than 40 years ago or so.

>Then again, though, some of that kind of archaic hardware implementation persists to this day. I was surprised to see that sound cards are still manufactured and have a dedicated user base.
>Though, of course, I don't hold all of that against Lain; as I said, I don't know a work past or present so good at combining technical knowledge and cultural knowledge when it comes to computers and the Internet.

well, a lot of the standards and systems that we still use to this day in a newer version were developed around the time SE:L came out, late 90s and somewhat into the 00s - like PCI(1997, PCI Express came out in 2003), SATA(2000), Gigabit Ethernet(June 1998, funnily enough), and of course, WWW(1994). it's not really archaic, it's just that the computer marked shifted from professionals and enthusiasts to the average consumer, so the tech had to get smaller and simpler to interact with, in fact making it way more complex internally. so the things evolved rapidly since then, sure, but we are still using a lot of stuff that was working pretty much the same way 25-30 years ago, if not earlier. i mean, hell - commercial UNIX is still a thing, not to say about it's direct(BSD) and indirect(Linux) successors. though, maybe it's just me seeing it differently because most of my work is associated with hardwarPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Everything you've said so far seems to make sense, at least to me, hah. Most of the people I know who run home servers like that are just data hoarders. I know one guy who actually hosts a server to stream movies from himself, but otherwise it's just space for people to download a bunch of stuff. Usually it's movies and shows, but it can also be YouTube videos, video games, books, drawings and photographs, along with other random software and such. At least from my experience. I joined on the hoarding train myself in an attempt to help preserve a certain website that ceased hosting recently, but I'm using a measly 12 TB drive for that. Most people I know start at 32 for their collections, usually in 4-8 TB segments and with at least one complete set of 4-8 TB backup drives. It's all about data preservation. I also know a lot of people who like to collect computers, open them up and upgrade them and mess with their OS, et cetera. It's quite depressing, though, because they seem to not know a lot about how computers work - they couldn't build their own operating software or anything like that, certainly, and even I surpass their knowledge in diagnostics sometimes, which gives me secondhand embarrassment, haha. That's just my experience though.

My experience with old computers is a lot of what informs my opinions on computing evolution, I guess. I don't really know what a GPU is, but I know enough about it for personal maintenance, like what connections might need to be resoldered if it stops working, et cetera. A sound card from 1994 or such seems to hold no similarities with the modern incarnation; none of my knowledge of the modern thing is able to be backported, I don't know what I'm looking at. Though, I'm kind of just ill and obsessed, and that wouldn't hold a candle to professionally working with the hardware; I don't mean to talk over you in that regard.

I think software has always been rapidly changing, hasn't it? I don't think there was even ten years of difference between Microsoft BASIC and Apple's GUI operating software. There's hundreds of examples of that kind of thing. I think a timely microcosm would be Adobe Flash. Flash Internet and Post-Flash Internet are nigh incomparable in a lot of senses, not just on how they operate but how the culture interacted with the software. I also think you understate the demographics change a bit; it's not just that the product became mainstream, it's that it became ubiquitous. Ten years agPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2742

>It's all about data preservation. I also know a lot of people who like to collect computers, open them up and upgrade them and mess with their OS, et cetera. It's quite depressing, though, because they seem to not know a lot about how computers work - they couldn't build their own operating software or anything like that, certainly, and even I surpass their knowledge in diagnostics sometimes, which gives me secondhand embarrassment, haha. That's just my experience though.

i have seen this as well. and i'm afraid i have to admit - i also have fallen pray to hoarding. i have my trusty poweredge r730 humming in the background 24/7, hosting services for me and my friends, as well as storing terabytes of whatever media i come across. but i could never for the life of me write any decent and useful software myself, let alone an operating system. that's a massive skill issue on my part because i never really tried to do programming myself, even though i want to.

hmm, actually, now that i have a lot more free time on my hands…

>I think software has always been rapidly changing, hasn't it?
>Ten years ago, every high school kid was plugged in, and now people ten years younger than we were then are plugging in.

true, especially now that even a non-technical person can prompt an LLM to write a specific program for any usecase. 12 year olds vibecode roblox cheats or whatever they play nowadays.

>I do remember that feeling of finally getting a phone in high school, spending as much time in class as feasible sitting and talking with other people from around the world and being the only one doing that - it wasn't that no one else had phones, of course, but others were either trying to be good students and not on them or were playing Fortnite or some other game. Maybe that's why I find the Lain obsession so odd; everyone I know is a normie when it comes to internet stuff. I assume a bit of obsession with the internet onto Lain that I don't really see reflected in the demographic. Maybe that's another changing of the times, maybe I'm looking for a reaction from ten or twenty years ago and not paying attention to the culture enough.

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>>2743
Apologies for forgetting to tag your post before. Data hoarding is really easy to be mammon about because it shrugs off the apparent consequences the real-world equivalent has. Typical hoarders will make their entire house an unlivable wreck; data hoarders might raise the energy bill a bit too high. I fear the affects on the heart are the same, but there are genuine reasons to download stuff. It takes more energy to redownload content repeatedly, and having a physical copy ensures reliability. I always download a PDF etc I want to read, for example. There's quite a few links and such I've lost now that I would still have if I saved it and never deleted it. Best of luck with learning coding and such.

I'm not in a position to say how artificial intelligence will effect our internet of things. It seems to use a lot of energy, I guess. I see it as a bad thing, but then I have a bad habit of seeing the development of the internet as a whole as a trek into the mouth of hell one step at a time. Though touching on Roblox does make me think of the stagnation it feels like the Internet is about to fall into. Every major platform now has established history. I shudder a little to imagine that people fifty years from now will be looking up "2020 aesthetics" on Pinterest still, that nothing better will have taken its place. Even video games have succumbed to that kind of thing, beyond Roblox; Overwatch 2 is just Overwatch, Counter-Strike 2 is just Global Offensive. I guess that's just how software works though, you can have your ship and rebuild it too. Though I just said that hasty obsolescence was how software worked, heh. I can't tell which side will win out at this point.

I don't know that the Internet helped me at all with my connections. In fact, it seems to have ruined what little connection and ability to connect I did have. I don't want to dismiss all the stories I hear to the contrary, as suspicious as I like to be, but I can say confidently those things were not what I found. My peers could at least infer things about me through being around me; it feels like being understanding is not something the Internet is capable of. I could relate to my real-life peers at least a little before the internet, but now I fear that I've entered such a dire spiral of eclectic specialization that I'll never really get along with anyone ever again. Yet, at the saPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2744

phew, that was a fun couple of days. sorry for being absent - went to another town to see my relatives one last time before i depart from this godforsaken shithole. also went fishing, caught a bunch of rudds and young breams(first pic). cooked the bigger ones, gave the rest to the stray cats.

>Apologies for forgetting to tag your post before. Data hoarding is really easy to be mammon about because it shrugs off the apparent consequences the real-world equivalent has. Typical hoarders will make their entire house an unlivable wreck; data hoarders might raise the energy bill a bit too high. I fear the affects on the heart are the same, but there are genuine reasons to download stuff. It takes more energy to redownload content repeatedly, and having a physical copy ensures reliability. I always download a PDF etc I want to read, for example. There's quite a few links and such I've lost now that I would still have if I saved it and never deleted it.

no worries dude. well, i can only speak for myself - my apartment is kind of a mess, cables and a bunch of random electronics everywhere. energy bill is fine so far, contrary to what i have expected. as per mental strain from all that - never got it, honestly. i use most of the things i download at least once, and then share it with the people, either by letting them grab a copy in person or running my seedboxes.

>I'm not in a position to say how artificial intelligence will effect our internet of things. It seems to use a lot of energy, I guess. I see it as a bad thing, but then I have a bad habit of seeing the development of the internet as a whole as a trek into the mouth of hell one step at a time. Though touching on Roblox does make me think of the stagnation it feels like the Internet is about to fall into. Every major platform now has established history. I shudder a little to imagine that people fifty years from now will be looking up "2020 aesthetics" on Pinterest still, that nothing better will have taken its place. Even video games have succumbed to that kind of thing, beyond Roblox; Overwatch 2 is just Overwatch, Counter-Strike 2 is just Global Offensive. I guess that's just how software works though, you can have your ship and rebuild it too. Though I just said that hasty obsolescence was how software worked, heh. I can't tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Reflection,since this is my thread:I just wish people were allowed to simply just be themselves and not have to bend over backwards to use places like this.I guess i rea just am too old for the internet,huh?Not sociopathic enough,not mean enough,too old….i guess since i can't larp my life on the internet isnt worth living. Maybe….maybe i COULD go outside….at the very least pedos are hidden in plain sight out there.

Neurodivergency is a bitch and i make
a lot of mistakes in my life partly
because of that. Oh well,life goes on

its not safe out there hide outdoors while you still can

We're gonna lain you, buddy.

lain