/lain/ - lain.iwakura

>>1443
The anime where the main character with distant parents cannot exist in the real world has a split personality and chooses to harakiri so that her circle of friends can have a normal life.

Yeah sounds about right.

ngl it would be so sexy to wear Lain's night-dress and do computer maintenance on the floor(DO NOT LEWD THE LAIN)

>>1443
I doesn't make sense at all.

>>1443
OP must be riffing off of the "Lain is for trannies" meme
Big implications if he isn't

Why do you wanna cut it off?

i think you can identify or even self insert into a character regardless of gender. wouldn't have gotten a tranny insinuation from the OP

>>1455
I would agree, except for the subject line.

Normally, I wouldn't judge what characters people connect with. On some level, we should be able to connect with most characters in a piece of media, especially main characters. It's what make a story engaging and what makes us come back episode after episode. However, you are telling us that, as a man, you relate to a school girl, afflicted with rampant mental illness, who has almost no friends, and who willing deletes herself from existence. This is gonna sound like a boomer statement; but, unplug from the internet for a while. Idk go talk to real people or like go on a camping trip over the weekend. Shit, even just go on a short hike or read a book while not on the wired. If SEL, a depressing and confusing anime, is telling you to become trans, you're probably not trans.

>>1457
>who willing deletes herself from existence.
I'm not OP but that was the most relatable for me. Not just that she removes herself, but also every memory and trace of herself. That's my idea of nirvana.

>>1456
i did read the subject though am apparently blind
hope OP comes gets a grip on reality. sometimes you just need change to be happy at least OP has understood this regardless of being caught in the tranny zeitgeist

>>1459
Yeah like a new haircut or a rearrangement of your lurking station, not cutting off your peepee

>>1458
Nigga thats a toaster shower not nirvana

>>1461
As I said: she doesn't just kill herself, she removes all traces of her existence, as if she never existed to begin with. Electrocuting myself won't achieve that.

>>1462
But she does exist in the wired and while no one else does SHE knows and it will stay with her forever

>>1463
True.

>>1460
was thinking a new job or hobby but sure

>>1465
what kind of job/hobbies do you currently have?

Oh hey, someone like me.

Just realized (fully accepted) I'm trans a few months ago.

I wholeheartedly believe Lain identifies as femme non-binary, most likely ace/aro too.

>>1476
>I wholeheartedly believe Lain identifies as femme non-binary, most likely ace/aro too.
I think she's just schizophrenic

>>1477
What's the difference?

>>1478
lul gross

>>1476
Lain identifies as a person who is better off non-existing.

>>1478
>What's the difference?
Schizos at least make some cool or strange conspiracy theory or pseudo religion before offing themselves, trannys just whine and die

>>1481
Same, haha.

>>1478
Can't confirm but have heard rumors this dude/person is a right wing grifter wearing them to prove some kind of point.

No sane trans individual would actually choose to look like that, and almost all cis women who do look like that get reductions.

>>1484
source?

>>1484
Literally google crossdresser and you will see thousands of similar abominations

>>1485
This article states the woodshop teacher identified as a man the previous year.
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/trans-teacher-whos-gone-viral-for-wearing-giant-fake-breasts-defended-by-school-canada-oakville-trafalgar-high-ontario-transgender-prosthetic-boobs

This article outlines the laws which were expanded in 2016:
>While the school’s dress code states that Oakville Trafalgar students must be permitted to dress in a way that expresses their “self-identified gender,” they must also refrain from wearing clothing that “exposes or makes visible genitals and nipples.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-transgender-teacher-sparks-controversy-by-wearing-giant-prosthetic-breasts-in-class
I don't know how it couldn't be any more obvious that this person is intentionally pushing the limits of what is acceptable.

For whatever reason, the school decided to double down and say they support them regardless. By their own admission, it's an internal feud between board members.

>>1486
Maybe you see a difference between the two because crossdressing is a fetish and being trans is a gender identity mismatch.

>>1487

What i am saying is that crossdressers will always benefit from trans laws regardless if they believe in it or not. The difference between the 2 is virtually inperceptible from the outside. I.E man with dick who dress as a woman, fetish or gender mismatch inside the brain the outside is still the same and people will treat them the same regardless of intention.

>>1443
1 month later, I hope all's well for you, though it likely isn't.
I'll give you my elder tranny advice. Just take it easy. This shit is a wild ride. I spent years contemplating it on and off before ever transitioning. I was always very hesitant to act on my feelings because of people around me. I did get pressured into starting HRT, but that was just a shitty friend instead of a groomer or whatever. All of that is to say, don't let anyone stop you but also don't let anyone push your boundaries really hard. That being said, it might be useful to have someone to light a fire under your ass if you find yourself saying "I should do it" and not doing anything. Also, if you start transitioning and it feels fundamentally wrong, you should probably stop and/or take a step back and determine if it's because you're not actually trans. But given that you came to the conclusion that you're trans on your own (because the good lady Lain definitely didn't groom you) then you probably actually are. Good luck!

P.S. if you decide to get HRT above the board, make sure you don't get hon dosed. Hon doses are like 0.5mg estradiol and/or 25mg of spironolactone daily (unless you're naturally producing a lot of estardiol or very little testosterone for some reason). Something like 2mg E, 50mg spiro/day would be normal at first. Don't listen to people who demand you take some specific drug like bicalutamide or cyproterone acetate or only take progesterone after 6 months hrt or anything else like that. While all those things are fine by themselves, always assume that anybody demanding you dose a certain way will probably get you hurt. If you (or any other trannies) need further guidance, I'm here from time to time.

>>1443
bro DO NOT transition. you’ll end up regretting it and eventually blow your brains out. just take a chill pill. maybe get on some antipsychotics.

>>1498

>I did get pressured into starting HRT, but that was just a shitty friend instead of a groomer or whatever.

Cognitive dissonance

Quick reminder that >>1498 is good and necessary but taking steroids as a man is evil

>>1502
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

>82% wanna jump 40% do it

Even if you dont straight up die you will live a misrable suicide inducing life.

A life where you will never be accepted by the world at large, a life where you realize your problems run depper than what you previously thought but the peepee has already been cut, an person whos been abused either mentally, physically or sexually will do ANYTHING to make the pain stop, a life distorted and lumped with fetishists and psychos preying on the mentally ill for their sick fantasies.

The transitioning its just an extreme form of self harm. I feel sorry for you, sounds like you got trolled into transitioning, she just wanted to see you suffer.

If you didnt cut it off there is still time.

May you find happiness some day, and if not at least peace.

I pray for you.

Just food for though: Trans is the only minority that inherently requires payment to someone in order to exist (HRT, medical procedures, ect.) It also happens to be one of the fastest accepted and defended minorities. And I do find it a bit concerning that every time I've seen someone try to bring up the negatives or alternatives, they get shut down without a second thought.

>>1505
I will awsner this later whenever i have time

Stay Tuned!!11!!1

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>>1505
*Warning: long ass post

>How about https://sci-hub(dot)ru/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/
ALWAYS post sci hub links. Knowledge is free! Alright to give you the rundown of this study: a meager 11% of participants were trans women but the conclusions treats all trans people the same, all of them were teenagers (most people don't transition until adulthood which is an important distinction), and the conclusion reached states that the cause of suicidality among transgender teens is caused by not being accepted by peers or parents and while trans teens with support do have a small, kayword small, increased likelihood of suicidality compared to cisgendered peers that's to be expected from people with a mental health condition (WHO triggered) when compared to everyone else.

Kids are the ones being pushed to accept trans issues, the conversations started with that, teenagers are highly susceptible to peer pressure, what way to better be accepted by becoming something that is being pushed to be?

>"It may also be the case that individu-als who do not desire transition represent a less dysphoric group and are therefore less suicidal … [E]vidence is mounting that barriers to transition-related healthcare contribute to suicidality among those who desire such measures and though it sometimes increases during transition, it typically decreases once desired transitional goals are completed."

This is a very jumble garble way to say that you better off to not transition unless the gov lets you, does not address the accepting/ewww factor.

>"[T]he vast majority of studies explored suicidality at any point in a participants’ life-time, either in addition to, or instead of time-specific measures … For example, as expected, when we compare lifetime to past year suicidality we f i nd that ideation (55% vs. 51%) and especially attempts (29% vs. 11%) decrease."

Data is on a graph, it goes up and down on different years, give me a 20 year graph and we can talk wheather it increased or decreased, an autistic way to quantifiy it might be:

Suicide= 50
Tranny = +25
Fired= +25
New videogame= -5
= no suicide

Having a good or a bad year means nothing, especially when dealing with angles like depression and suicide, depression builds up and culminates in suicide it might take a year, it might take 10.

>"Indeed, a recent qualitative inquiry into suicide protective factors among trans adults identified several important protective factors among this population, one of which was socially and/or medically transition-ing (for those who seek it).

I agree, but shooting heroin has a similar effect in making you less suicidal, you might miss the next rush of being(forcefully?) accepted or for some having the satisfaction of knowing that there is nothing others can say to you without legal trouble, like being a cop or a politician almost.

>Additionally, suicidality may be generally higher among transgender individuals than the general population throughout the life course, due to factors unrelated to transition, such as stigma and discrimination"

So what? Still ewww for the majority of the population, still uncanny valley, still early 3d animation creepy vibes.

> I do think the rates could drop significantly to the point that they're negligible beyond just needing to see their suicidality as the same to suicidality among the general population.

I agree, however suicidality amongst the general populations is abnormally high nowadays, how many people just:
wake up-work-get really high at home/play videogames-sleep badly-repeat

That'll make anybody suicidal, it just so happens that some people go out, play sports, have social contacts, etc.

Unavailable for trannies with normal people due to the reason stated above. Maybe you have a couple of enabler friends on university, maybe you have your tranny d&d group, but that "ideal" nuclear life its rare at best. but maybe you can be happy smoking bongs all day and having tranny orgies, i however haven't seen it and have my doubts, but who knows.

>I disagree but it is true right now unfortunately. I definitely have hope things will change though.

How do you change an eww reaction? A gutural feeling? People can tolerate things if the situation demands to, but to truly accept it and incorporate on their life its a totally different ball game.

Imagine a game store, every weekend the local tranny goes there to purchase space marines or whatever, nobody minds, but the tranny its never invited to the game unless itself introduces itself to a table. maybe some enablers will make friends, but are those truly friends? would they jump ship if the cool kids invited them to their table? the thing a bout the losers table, is that they are losers for a reason, mental illness being one of them. Theres no trannies in the football team fucking the cheerleaders and being popular unless is the girls one where they have the bio advantage. they are and will always be relegated to the outsider group, the losers the bottom of the bottom, there are no tranny cool kids and thats simply because of the eww/uncanny factor. Trannys will only be as accepted as juggalos are, that is within their own circle and some fringe fetishist hellscapes.

(On review i have no idea wtf what i was trying to say on this one really, you might ignore it if it pleases you.)

My point is: They can be tolerated of course, but knowing that you're only tolerated within society is suicide inducing on itself.


>I'm most likely not representative of the general population.

Not to get very into it because that sad vibes but you do seem to represent a good chunk of the tranny population and thats easily provable by way of science.

Make discord account with lain profile-go on tranny discord-count the sob stories.

Thats also is on shaky ground since most people do not discuss sexual abuse with strangers or sometimes with nobody, even for reputable studies the number its usually considered conservative with a high probability of being higher.

>its not everywhere and it can change
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Change first and maybe people will accept it later, the responsibility is entirely on the trans community hands.

> Hiding from being trans probably isn't going to fix people's opinions.

Nobody said you should hide your mental problems. Now THAT will cause suicides. just that maybe cutting it off isn't the real solution.

>Disagree
Agree to disagree, but i cannot help but to see, especially female to males having their tits cut off and, maybe un related, but the vast majortiy seem to be on the self harm train.

I have no data to back it up thats just what ive seen, on the wired and in real life(more times than the average person unfortunally)

>I haven't. I plan to be castrated ASAP, but I don't plan to get vaginoplasty. Presently, as much as I want that kind of thing, the present results of the surgery just aren't enough, it's far too expensive, and I suspect that not long from now we'll see a lot more developments that make the surgery better perhaps even the research in organ growing will pay off. That's all hypothetical, though, and my plans are to not "cut it off" but to get an orchi.

Living in the future, not in the present, on what things may be not what they are. Sounds sad why not be comfortable with what you have now?

> All things I thought I didn't deserve and would never get before I transitioned.

Ding ding ding

So you deserve now that you're a girl?

So you trannyied out and now you're found your own little group that hangs out with you?

Congratulations, but you could've achieved similar results by joining a sports team or smoking crack in a crack house.

One is more healthy though, and being a tranny is more in line with being a drug addict than being some dude that plays soccer on saturdays.

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>>1512
>>1513
I will awnser this later when i have time

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>>1512
1/?

>Based on my experience, though remember I live in a very conservative area, there is no push for trannies in a lot of places. All the push is against them here.
Most people would move to areas where they are more accepted, i personally am not a fan of social segregation but i am also not a fan of making people accept things against their will.

>As we see revanchist politicians here scream their heads off about this tranny menace that's supposedly running around raping people and winning sports tournaments and scarring our children for life with "drag queen story times"

They do, the guy who started this convo is an example of drag queen story, they are winning womens sports, i am not against women competing against men willingly, if you're an mma female fighter and you wanna fight someone on the men's division thats badass and cool, but if you wanna be on the womens division and some dude suplexes you because he thinks hes a girl thats definitely no cool and pushes women away from their untraditional spaces and back to the kitchen. Not cool. They also rape people but thats not the big deal about them, some people are just rapists, but if a penis can make its way into a non penis space without repercussions it just facilitates rape and women wont use the washroom out of fear as an example, pushing them away again, it has nothing to do with identity it has to do with cocks.

> Rather I think it clearly advises that it should be allowed by governments.
I agree that it should(and it is its just not paid welfare) i just don't think its healthy but self harm and suicide should not be crimes neither should be chopping it off, some people body mod paint their eyes and cut their arms off for fun(those people also push for dick and tit chopping as its their fetish think katawa shoujo), dicks should be allowed too. i just dont think it should be adivertised as a good thing like smokes were(or cocaine).

>Additionally it doesn't state that pre-transition suicidality is lesser to that during transition under a government that has legislation that is against or makes it hard to get HRT, but rather only that such legislation can contribute to suicidality.

The legislation its mostly for kids, adults can easily get their drugs and make their own choices.

>Using drugs is like you get it in your system, you get varying degrees of elevated depending on what you use and then you come down, reality creeps back in, and it turns out you're still stuck with all the problems you had before and so you crave what made it all go away for a while which usually becomes problematic itself.

Isn't that what hormones do? Don't they make living bearable? Make the suicides go down? Can you stop taking them and feel fine and dandy with yourself? and if so why do you need it? Does reality comes creeping back in?

>Most don't agree that "hate speech" should be banned but there definitely is a notable minority that loves to howl about how they're being oppressed by the sheer fact differing ideologies exist.
The voices heard are the voices portrayed and recognized, thats what i mean by self policing.

>Those are your daddy's money university types that you seem to have me confused with.
I do not think any of those would make into this webspace. You have my respect regardless of anything.

>I fail to see the connection this has with the conversation at large.
If 70 "normal" people in a big city wanted to commit suicide and 40 trans people wanted to commit suicide but by some good mental health work maybe 10 got discouraged and got themselves in the right path thats awesome right?

Do you think that if for whatever reason some of those people regretted cutting it off and trannied out thinking it gonna fix them, would they be more or less likely to be saved? Knowing they could never come back from that decision? If for some whatever reason you change your mind you're already literally balls out into it. Its all or nothing at that point.

>>1517
2/?

>I have no trans friends presently,
Enabler doens't necessarily means trans, (shallow)girls will keep a weird friend around if it make them look better, a super leftist will keep it around for social points, a fetishist will keep it around to burrow, an incel/tranny will keep it around because he gots nothing else. But those are not real friends, these people will drop you the moment something better comes along. There is no bond other than the selfish i dont wanna be alone/ i wanna fuffil my desires, there is no comradery or higher goal. And granted, most of the population does not have it but being trans its an instant minus debuff if you wanna autistically quantify it.

Off topic but in ck 2 there is the homosexual trait:
+30 Attraction to same sex
-5 opinion -15% Fertility

I wonder what they would be for trannyies?
Off topic ignore i just chuckled a bit.

>I have 2 kids, a wonderful long-term relationship, and I'm presently content with life at large if that's what you're referring to.
That is wonderful if you're happy with the way things are.

But do you feel like you could've reached the same outcome without being trans? Obviously nobody can predict alternate timelines but if you could, would you jump to another where life was good and you have reached the same outcome but without the trans part and everything that comes with it?

>How do you make someone not be grossed out by anything? Familiarity, generally speaking. Little kids can be incredibly picky eaters for example but if you get them familiar with things they won't eat they eventually come around especially because most of the time they only find it gross at a surface level. In my own life, I always refused to eat mushrooms because they're weird looking and a little mushy on the outside when cooked but I learned to like them by just giving them a shot instead of turning up my nose. Same deal with oysters too. Unlike food, though, you can't be allergic to trannies. And to be more relevant than analogous I used to hate trannies for a long time, a result of conservative upbringing and falling into some bad communities online. I used to be appauled at the state of society and inherently disgusted by trannies but look at me now.

If you grow up in cartel land you might be familiarized with torture murder rape and what not, if you grow up in arab lands you might be familirized with throwing gays off rooftops as totally normal, if you lived in belfast you might be familiarized with the brits firing your parents and beating them up/raping them because they're catholic or you might be familiarized with people having their parents blow up because they're protestants.

Familiarity its neither good nor bad, but you can definetly be familiarized with bad things, one side pushes for familiarization, the other one pushes back, how far are you willing to go?

You may eat spam with noodles for years beacuse you are poor then suddenly hit the numbers, will you keep eating spam and noodles just because its familiar?
Or is it that there are so many alternatives? What if someone keep bothering you to eat spam and noodles, inserting themselves in every space, and threatening suicide if you don't? Well you definitely don't want them dying right? Back to spam an noodles with you Mr million dollars.

Also an eww its not eat this gross cooked food that many people, more like drink this vomit and eat poop type of reaction, it runs much deeper, its that feeling when you see maggots festering a dead carcass, its just gross, now imagine that humanized, most people will look and feel like something is "off" with that person, almost supernatural. And you might not very well care what people think of you which its all fine and dandy, but they will still think it and treat you accordingly(unless you make it illegal to do so gestappo style).

>I'm confused as to why you included this. What does sexual abuse have to do with this?
A good chunk the lgbt community has been sexually abused. That's obviously not the reason they are gay but its definitely a factor to consider when dealing with lgbt issues, There are many that are just trauma bonded.
https://sci-hub.ru/10.1177/1524838010390707

>I'm curious as to what you're proposing and what about it is on the hands of this so called "trans community" everybody talks about

I am proposing nothing as its not my responsibility to.

The trans community as in participants of that community just like the cycling community or the skateboarding community or the hispanic community. Anything that has their own distinct culture that you participate in. Participation is not necessary, you can be white and identify with black culture and vice versa, but if you do not participate you do not have the obligation to care for those individuals in that community. Of course that doesn't mean you cannot or shouldn't care but thats up to the individual.

>>1518

3/3

>Then what do you think the solution is since you evidently believe that transitioning is icky and will never be accepted at large thereby causing mental distress?
Mental health awareness, chomo killing, more focus on friendship and local community building, less videogames all day. Of course that will not solve it 100% But if there is even just one less suicide then its a success in my books.

>Surely your "play sports" point in passing wasn't it. I do have experience with sports, having played baseball in HS, and was even in the military. Neither of those bring with them the sense of camaraderie that people suggest.

Yes and no.

Loads of people in the military would disagree, loads of people that play baseball would disagree too.

But maybe you just havent found the right kind of people or the right activity.

Some people dont like baseball, they like snowboarding down an avalanche or jumping off helicopters with a squirrel suit, some people like running, some people like playing in a band, some people like painting, some people like airsoft, some people like literally climbing sky scrapers with no safety equipment, some people play smashbros at a game store, some people play d&d.

And out of all of those i listed i still consider them healthier that taking chemicals and castrating yourself(yes even skyscraper climbing).

Just because you haven't found the right activity does not mean that it does not exist and just because you haven't found your own clique does not mean that trannies will be the only option for you.

>I'm curious as to what part about it is particularly similar to self harm?
The scars, the blade to flesh, the cutting of a body part.
FTMs chest post surgery look like frankenstein monster and MTFs "vag" looks like nemesis from RE3.

>We should all be constantly striving for better living, no?
Yes, but we should go and get it not wait for an arbitrary future time, but if you are happy in the mean time then kudos. I also have no idea what an orchi is and am afraid of looking it up so i might sound retarded.

>My point was that I used to be miserable and seriously depressed person prior to my transition but as a direct result of transitioning I no longer feel that way. Once again, that was a pretty specifically narrow and narrative-driven reading of what I said.

>I had plenty of friends prior to transitioning. I used to be quite the social butterfly actually, but as a result of the conservative environment I live in I've been more cautious in choosing friends and have lost many of the ones who couldn't see past one little facet of who I am. I did not achieve friends playing sports, turns out I don't get along with jock types, and didn't make many through the military because they were mostly either too high-speed for my tastes or drama queens. I did make some friends through it but nothing that lasted. Transitioning, if I haven't made it abundantly clear, has had absolutely not a single thing to do with being accepted by other people.

>Transitioning, if I haven't made it abundantly clear, has had absolutely not a single thing to do with being accepted by other people.
I already answered the other parts of it but do not think that being accepted by other people should have anything to do with it, it should be solely about the individual and its mental health, its just that as i asked before its transitioning the best choice? Is there not any other options? As i said before, a person will do ANYTHING to make the pain stop, just that being a tranny its just as drugs are, a crutch.




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>>1517
>i personally am not a fan of social segregation but i am also not a fan of making people accept things against their will.
Replace "Trannies" with "Niggers" or just "Fags" and you can easily see how fucked this concept is.
>if a penis can make its way into a non penis space without repercussions it just facilitates rape
I would wholly consider this argument valid if it weren't for the fact that you're treating every single transwoman as a potential rapist. I shouldn't have to point out that being a fallacy.
>i just dont think it should be adivertised as a good thing
I haven't seen anyone push a "cut yer dick off" agenda anywhere, not including obvious fetishists.
Even I'm hesitant to cut off anything. I'd like to keep my body as whole as possible. I can't speak for all trans people though.
But nobody is telling kids that it's good to augment their genitals.
.>adults can easily get their drugs and make their own choices.
>Isn't that what hormones do? … and if so why do you need it? Does reality comes creeping back in?
Hormones aren't drugs that push your dopamine button, dude.
Let me put it to you like this:
You were born a man, right? What if, just because god didn't like you or some shit, when you hit puberty you had to start taking shots to stay a man, otherwise you would start growing breasts, and getting weaker, and getting shorter, and more emotional.
Would you take the shots to stay a man? Would it cause you distress to see yourself turning into a woman (even though you know that's not what you're meant to be?).
>If 70 cisgender people in a big city wanted to commit suicide and 40 trans people wanted to commit suicide…
Man, it seems like you'd have to examine the contributing factors to their suicidality on an individual case-by-case basis.
>>1518
>What if someone keep bothering you to eat spam and noodles, inserting themselves in every space, and threatening suicide if you don't?
You're literally equating "treating trans people as valid and deserving of basic human decency and respect" as to something that is detrimental to your health.
>A good chunk the lgbt community has been sexually abused.
Actually true, I was raped by my female cousin when I was 7. Not sure how that contributed to my transness, but it definitely fucked up how I view/experience love and sex in relationships.

>Mental health awareness, chomo killing, more focus on friendship and local community building, less videogames all day. Of course that will not solve it 100% But if there is even just one less suicide then its a success in my books.

This will lead to more people coming out as trans 100% lmao

>FTMs chest post surgery look like frankenstein monster and MTFs "vag" looks like nemesis from RE3
This is just you being phobic of post-surgery bodies. I'd call you weak and squeamish.

>its transitioning the best choice? Is there not any other options?
Transitioning is almost always the best choice for someone who is transgender. That's the whole point, is to "fix" the body's outward appearance. Not everyone wants/needs something as extreme as cutting anything off, but many do. As you said, it's up to the individual.

>>1443
I have no dog in this race although i agree trannies are icky and its weird and unsafe feeling to share a bathroom as a woman but i dont really care about adults doing their thing.

Eating popcorn on this, best thread on wirechan.

>>1520
Except for you, you're silly.


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>>1522
Why am I silly?

You're the one thinking human beings are icky for existing as their authentic selves.

>>1520
I am taking a shit and am bored so you get the shitpost, i will only address you once, your personality and overall energy its what make people not like trannies. Pardon the phoneposting weird fgormat and mispells i will not review it

>Replace "Trannies" with "Niggers" or just "Fags" and you can easily see how fucked this concept is.
It has nothing to do with the person but with what the person wants, the only thing it says its how fucked up your brain is if you think along those lines.

Plenty of "niggers" want to move out of the "hood" because the place does not conform with their standards off living, do you think they should not be allowed? Plenty of "fags" move from their conservative small towns to LA where they are more accepted do you think they should not be allowed? You are borderline retarded.

>I would wholly consider this argument valid if it weren't for the fact that you're treating every single transwoman as a potential rapist. I shouldn't have to point out that being a fallacy.
Every single MEN in a womens intimate setting is a potential rapist, you dont know, neither do the women, they might not be but in that case its better to err on caution side, since rape is pretty much mental murder for most women and trans women are on average way stronger than most real women.

>I haven't seen anyone push a "cut yer dick off" agenda anywhere, not including obvious fetishists.
Even I'm hesitant to cut off anything. I'd like to keep my body as whole as possible. I can't speak for all trans people though.
But nobody is telling kids that it's good to augment their genitals.

How do you separate the fetishists from true and honest trans women? How would you know as a parent? You work 8 hours a day, you spend 2 hours in traffic back and forth, your teenage kid is doing who knows what. Wtf do you do? You just TRUST that that particular trans person is not a fetishist? No Sane parent would do that, and if your kid got molested/groomed into cutting their dick off you would never forgive yourself, then maybe both will commit suicide.

>You were born a man, right? What if, just because god didn't like you or some shit, when you hit puberty you had to start taking shots to stay a man, otherwise you would start growing breasts, and getting weaker, and getting shorter, and more emotional.
Would you take the shots to stay a man? Would it cause you distress to see yourself turning into a woman (even though you know that's not what you're meant to be?).

That sounds like a horrible disease, but no i would not i would learn to be happy the way i am and make strides to be the best version of myself regardless of disease( i would take the shots if it was life threatening, SUICIDAL much?). Otherwise no, people should not be ashamed because they have a medical condition wtf?

>Man, it seems like you'd have to examine the contributing factors to their suicidality on an individual case-by-case basis.
They all have something in common though, but that obviously cannot be factor right? It must be literally everything else not the thing that all these people have in common.

>You're literally equating "treating trans people as valid and deserving of basic human decency and respect" as to something that is detrimental to your health.

1: That has nothing to do with the quote
2: Respect is earned not given.
3:People do not go out of their way to mess with trannies unless you are mentally ill, they just ignore them, they just have their own things with their own friends and their own communities.

>This will lead to more people coming out as trans 100% lmao

I do not believe you, it its also impossible to know the outcome unless it its tryed, but that would be a good thing on your book no?

>This is just you being phobic of post-surgery bodies.
I think they're gross and most people do too, if that makes me phobic so be it, try no to cut yourself over it.

>I'd call you weak and squeamish.

If you wanna resort to name calling the wired will chew you up and spit you out.

They will not hesitate to make fun of the fact you got raped, your suicide attempts, and the fact you desperately want to be woman but nobody views you as such. This its one of the reasons people dislike trannies, slingshots of a glass house.

>Transitioning is almost always the best choice for someone who is transgender.
How would you know? because they told you so? The amount of dumb shit i did as a pre teen and teenager to "fix" my apperance(as an example i wanted pokemon tatoos thought i would never regret it having sqirtle on my arms thanks mom for not letting me do it) i would want to kill myself too if i did something irreversible like stopping my puberty or god forbid cutting it off because i was a kid and was just exploring the world and finding my place in it, add that with peer pressure and fetishism no wonder this kids come out with more trauma than a child soldier.

You have shitty attitude you get the shit posts, enjoy being treated like a tranny and ignored

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>>1521

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>>1525
>your personality and overall energy its what make people not like trannies
I'm just a sarcastic ass, that's a me thing.
There you go again making it an "all trannies" thing.
>Plenty of "niggers" want to move out of the "hood" because the place does not conform with their standards off living, do you think they should not be allowed? Plenty of "fags" move from their conservative small towns to LA where they are more accepted do you think they should not be allowed? You are borderline retarded.
You made it sound as if you didn't want trans people living near you and that you would either like to prevent that from happening, or move if it did.
This is result of transphobia, just like how "white flight" happened in the 60s and 70s as a direct result of racism. That's the point I was trying to make.
>its better to err on caution side
Better ban all homosexuals from being within 100ft of areas where children are present then, just in case one of them is a pedophile.
>How do you separate the fetishists from true and honest trans women?
Because only a groomer/fetishist would be talking to a kid about fucking up their genitals.
> How would you know as a parent?
This is what sex education is for.
"Bad touch", etc.
It's the same amount of trust and education you would put into your kid with NOT meeting up with a strange adult from the internet.
>That sounds like a horrible disease
Yeah, some of us call it "testosterone poisoning".
>i would learn to be happy the way i am and make strides to be the best version of myself regardless of disease
Tried that for over 10 years. Before I knew, I just thought I was a broken human that wasn't meant for this world, and attempted suicide a few times in my youth.
I didn't even know what being trans was.
I found out when I was 26, and suddenly everything made sense. Took a long time to connect all the dots, but I wasn't inherently "broken", I was just stuffed in the wrong suit.
That knowledge, in and of itself, made me less suicidal. If I had this knowledge in my youth, along with the opportunity to transition, I don't think I would've made an attempt at all.
That's just me though.
Food for thought.
>It must be literally everything else not the thing that all these people have in common.
Wow, just that one thing? That one singular thing is the only thing in their lives making these people suicidal? Just being trans?
Not considering whether their friends, family, coworkers, etc, accept them or not?
Not considering whether or not they face violence for existing in their daily lives?
That they experience violence/abuse at all?
Not considering whether or not they're poor?
All of these things obviously must have been accounted for.
>That has nothing to do with the quote
But you said:
>You may eat spam with noodles for years beacuse you are poor then suddenly hit the numbers, will you keep eating spam and noodles just because its familiar?
And then you said:
>more like drink this vomit and eat poop type of reaction, it runs much deeper, its that feeling when you see maggots festering a dead carcass, its just gross, now imagine that humanized
What was the comparison you're trying to make here, if not that?
>Respect is earned not given.
Everyone I've met that says this has been a huge rude dickhead.
Everyone deserves basic respect, until they do something to lose it.
You don't treat someone like garbage until they've sucked up to you enough, do you?
>People do not go out of their way to mess with trannies unless you are mentally ill, they just ignore them,
There is constant daily violence/assaults against trans people that goes both unreported and uninvestigated. If you think it's not happening, you're literally just choosing to keep your eyes closed.
>I think they're gross and most people do too, if that makes me phobic so be it, try no to cut yourself over it.
Would you say the same thing about women who had mastectomies for breast cancer?
>If you wanna resort to name calling the wired will chew you up and spit you out.
I called you weak and squeamish because you can't handle the sight of tit scars.
You keep saying tranny like it's not a slur, and you're upset at "name calling"?
And then you think that something so simple is worthy of digging into someone like that?

I get it's a shitpost, and I get it's the internet, but fuck dude, why be cruel for the sake of cruelty?

Do you genuinely lack that much empathy?

>>1523
>I am genuinely curious as to how pervasive this is for you. Is it something you're really actively worried about or is it only something that troubles you when it comes up and start thinking about it?
Also, if a tranny passed would you care?

I get un-confortable because you can never really know, and I think women have this "men rape" engrained in our brains, so if I see a dude who is a girl but its actually a dude in a space where its supposed to be safe makes me just not want to go to said place at all, I do not know how men's bathrooms are but ours its much more than just a place to pee, its a place where we fight, fix our hair, take pictures with our boobs out in the mirror and just shoot the shit really.
But I think women can tell easier if tranny passes or not than men, forget the face and clothes is the: adams apple, the makeup style, the eyes, the big hands, the posture, the hips, the way a person walks, the way they talk, their hand gestures, the way they laugh(this one is a dead giveaway), the voice, the hairline and other I am sure i have forgotten

I wouldn't care if the tranny was like 4'11 and skinny. more than that I am not confident I would be able to defend myself without a gun.

>Also, as a side note, I'm curious what you think about trans men using men's bathrooms.
I fear for them but that is their choice, I know guys that get un-confortable with it, I have seen trans men go into a washroom and all of the guys came running out of there.

>what you think a good solution is

I have seen "gender non conforming" bathrooms here and there, its ok to me, it will always have the stigma of being the "weird" peoples bathroom and the butt of the jokes but I don't really care otherwise if you are an adult and choose to use it.

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>>1521
>But trannies, when properly regulated, have been shown to have no advantage over female athletes despite suspicion that male puberty somehow gives them an advantage

What does properly regulated means?

>Lena Hubbard
Lena Hubbard lost becasue he sucks, he lost at 125kg which is below average for a womens weight lifting comp and laughable at a mens one. Fallon fox(trans) got knocked out on mma by Ashlee Evans, the thing is, fallon fox fucking sucks at fighting, watch the footage and tell me that is a trained fighter, if Ashlee Evans had fought any of the guys on the male mma roster she would've been on a stretcher. Just because you suck, does not mean anything other than you suck, fallon fox was still clearly phisically stronger than ashley especially in grappling, ashley was just the more technical and skilled fighter, had both of them had the same skill level ashley is in a coffin. Watch womens nba highlights then compare it with mens highlights, if for some reason some of these dudes decided they wanted to troon out they would win every single tournament ever. Caitlyn Jenner ran the 400m in 47.51s IN 1972 (!!!) compare this with current womens times, if you suck you suck regardless but if you are at a high professional level, its a wash every single time. I am not opposed to men fighting women in a mix gender match or whatever, but forcing trannies in their safe space its disrespectful at best and dehumanizing at worst.

>Nobody cares about when trannies fail.
Because they mostly suck. Who was right above the dead last tranny? Nobody knows and nobody cares because he sucks too, if he didn't he would be in the top 5.

>atypical
Transgender suicide is also atypical since its below 50%, When do atypical becomes typical? When do we become familiarized with things that were considered atypical?

>they do rape people" referring to trannies
Referring to men in general. And they do. A lot. I am obviously not saying all men are rapists, all I am saying it that most if not all have the ability to. Since the beginning of times, Guys stick their dicks in goats grapefruits prison suzies car fuel tanks and whatnot. There are very few thing that a guy won't stick his dick in if he knows he can get away with it. Slaves were raped for centuries. Most men don't do it because the thought of hurting a woman makes the computer caveman brain go wild and start the protect women program. But if you dealing with fetishists, people who have their brain damaged by illness and what not I think is fair to err on the caution side like. You might not feel that way, but if you are a woman rape tends to be a thing they take it extremely serious treat it like gun safety.

>treating all dick havers as likely rapists and women as delicate flowers who need safe spaces away from them is traditionalist at best and crystal cafe tier or Islamist at worst.

The washroom is a safe space, its intimate and private, I do not think that women and men shouldn't intermingle just that the washroom its not the place to do it, its already weird if you make eye contact in a public washroom with people as a dude(not rape but dudes might be on some bullshit and try to fuck you up/rob you) I cannot imagine what it must be for a woman, yea maybe you might not get raped, do you keep your guard down? do you risk it? I cannot speak for women, but if I was one I would simply stop going to public washrooms.

>A lot of places still have long waiting periods for legal trans hormones.
A lot of places have long waiting periods for prescribed life saving medication
A lot of places have long waiting periods for heart transplants
A lot of places have long waiting periods for mental health help
A lot of places have long waiting periods for life saving surgeries

Welcome to the club.

>Most DIYers are of age cause it still costs money that most all kids won't have.

My point exactly, kids cannot consent because they are retarded remember when you were a kid? Did you made retarded decisions?
I did, most people do too. As a child you are learning how to deal with yourself whether mentally phisically or sexually, Last thing you wanna do its make a life changing decision like stopping your puberty and whatnot.

>heroin is a chemical rush. It's a strong pain killer and doping agent. HRT most certainly isn't.
Suicide its caused by mental pain. A foregin substance entering your body that would not be caused naturally that makes the pain stop.
Also don't most trans people struggling with drug abuse of some kind? This adderall take care of this, the weed does that, and the hrt fixes that one. Heroin its just a pretty powerful all in one package. And you can come back from heroin, you cannot grow new balls.

>Since I still have the ability to produce testosterone, no. Will it significantly hurt my quality of life, though? Also no. This also brings me to
>I need it because my body needs hormones just like yours does. I don't like the ones my body makes so I take something to inhibit and replace them. Once I get an orchi I will produce no testosterone. My body will still need hormones.
>More likely the opposite. But fact is I never left reality by taking HRT. You leave reality by doping or taking hallucinogens or something.

I meant in a mental place, would you feel as happy, as confident, as non depressed?

>I don't agree that they can be policed out because they're attention whores and will always get the attention somehow.
My local crack head its an attention whore, a high school kid will see the crackhead then he will see a normal person, he can make his own mind and choose what he will be. Nobody its gonna wet a junkie up for he being what he is, even if he is part of the community, you just provide a better alternative. These people are laughed out not holdomored.

>So attention whoring/edginess rather than actual self harm? Or is it just the motifs and not the actual reasons?
I think once you cut yourself you are already open to more extreme sources of mutilation and self harm. If you had scars all over your arms for 15 years, who cares if you get them on your chest?

>If they're trans, Yes, I would say so.
How does one know he is trans and not making(unknowingly) a bad choice to make the pain stop? Especially a teenager or a mentally ill person?

>I would say there aren't any other viable options I've heard of or been convinced of.
None have been tried, it its shut down the moment it its proposed, in some places, showing support for it will get you a criminal record.


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>>1533
> Don't come to me with bad faith. Don't come to me contradicting yourself. Don't come to me blatantly lying. I do not know nor care about the cause of the shift in mood here.
I do not know what any of that means, I do have setups set that might be considered kinda harsh, but they are all in an attempt to further conversation(admittedly to set-up my side on a better position it its a debate after all) not to act in bad faith in any way. Otherwise I wouldn't waste my time making these long ass posts and would just make fun of you instead. Not my intention.

>I'm not going to go back to that kind of thinking. I haven't been afraid to admit the bad parts, even the hard things to swallow like being unable to ever truly integrate as a woman.
My post was not to change your way of thinking in any form, but to give non participants of the who look at this thread the reasons for a position. Whether they are reasonable or not in your point of view matters not. No offense. I do genuinely want to know and understand more though, you can believe on that one or not, again it matters not.

>bubble
>Why are you so afraid to give credence to the good?
Not sure what that means, I already said that trannying out its better than severe depression and suicide, I just don't think its the optimal way, I wish no physical or mental harm to trannies or whatever and would do anything reasonable to let have a normal life whitin society. It just so happens that a lot of things they want seem not reasonable to most, like going on a women's bathroom or giving life altering chemicals to pre teens whose most care in life at that moment its to play pokemon after school. I am not opposed to being nice to your local trans cashier or third gender bathrooms or whatever I don't really care and would probably put one in any business I owned, Its not that big of a deal. But some things are. It might seem weird coming from me, but I am not anti trans like that an am mostly arguing from a pure (if maybe cold) point of view. I do not support humiliating random trannies on the street for no reason or anything like that. Trannies do get beat up for the fact that they're trannies that's not cool and I wish it would never happen, but if I was making a list about the cons on being trans that would go on it. Sorry.

>Regardless, I'm not gonna entertain more bullshit than I already have in this thread
I thank you for your time and attention, as I said some of these subjects are bad vibes and do not need to be addressed If a person its not comfortable with it, even if said topics are relevant, it is not worth it so sacrifice your mental health over some convo, especially over retards on the internet on a fringe website, the most active thread on wirechan has nothing on the least viewed threads on reddit for example.

We can most definitely agree to disagree.
With that said though I do wish you could continue the convo, it has been most enlightening so far. Stay healthy frens.

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>>1536

>I had already mentioned the Olympics, you could start there.
https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Human-Rights/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf

This is the only thing I could find, It does not address: bone density and structure, hip placement, center of gravity, chest differences(even women with small tits have it too), The menstrual cycle, hand size, stride, anaerobic explosive muscle power and others.

There is a reason why this is only a problem when a mtf wants it, because if a ftm tried to go boxing on the mens league olympic caskets would have to made.
We do have sports where mixed participation its not a big deal: Chess, Pool, Darts etc.


>as you haven't explained how all women have earned such right to respect.
We as a society have decided this. Men tend to like women and vice-versa so mutual respect has been achieved with that fight from around the beginning of times, from cleopatra to queen anne to rosa parks. In the last ~200 years women have fought and achieved the respect of men who treat them as equally as reasonable possible(we have men and womens divisions, women take some time of for pregnancies etc.)
As a man I do not think that women should be measured only on what a man respects her for though, I believe self-respect comes first.
Islamic societies tend not to have the same amount of respect for women that we do though. Which leads me to my next point

>stranger danger form of rape
>I don't agree with stranger danger obsession.
I do believe most women agree with it since rape it is Torture + murder + shell shock, but I am no woman and cannot speak for them, I just repeat what I have seem and heard from them. Ask me as a man I tend to side with the err on the caution side like gun safety. I think >>1527 has explained pretty well though.
But if a female friend and I were to meet at night in a non busy location I would offer to escort her yes, it her choice at the end though, not sure if that make islamic or what.

>I would likely be less happy with my appearance
> I see no reasoning beyond that to be needed to justify my taking it
Justifying its not needed question already answered.

> I supposed to make of this if this is all I get from you to work with
That you are the new kids on the block and people already have other concerns that are higher on the priority line.

> the wait times on HRT is purely bureaucratic
So its the one for all prescribed drugs and any sort of potentially harmful chemicals like ether, not sure what are you are trying to say.

>Irrelevant speculation.
Irrefutable data.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/B978-0-12-398336-7.00058-9
It its relevant for the people who would be potentially part of the lgbt community to know what their peers face and what they can likely expect, not saying it it will happen, but knowledge its power.

>Ignored my point that they will, presently at least, have people who want to pay attention to them because it furthers their agendas.
I agree, but I assumed that you considered it a bad thing. And if so providing an alternative look for the community its vital, because at the moment trans people have no significant one( theres "alt" people like caitlyn jenner but thats not a good look either).

>Nobody cares about Joe who's saying he's gonna kill himself for no reason.
Friends? Family? Parents? Colleagues? The average person might not, but depending on their social status + popularity lots of people might.

>conversion therapy
I do not support conversion therapy and would not put it on the same category of the things I proposed. All I have propose are things to help the population's general mental health not just trannies.
Conversion therapy its more in line with things like lobotomies and isis hypnotism.

>almost none
Almost does not mean all.
Ivy broke the record for the 200-meter sprint for females aged 34–39, Compared to the males aged 34-39 record ivy its not up to par, it does not mean ivy isn't a good cyclist, it just mean ivy its not on the same level as males in the same age bracket.

If lebron james went to the wnba he would dominate easily, if whoever is the best wnba player went to the nba is she would be the worst player to ever play in that league. I do not think these are outlandish statements in any way.

>I see no reason to deny them to someone 16+ for any reason.

I agree, 16 its the age of majority in most countries.

>I don't think parents should have a say, at least in older teens.
They do if they're the ones paying the bills.

>Puberty blockers should be available to anyone since their effects are completely reversible.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1111/camh.12437
https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/
This is from a pro tranny website.

What if you start at 16 and you realize that its not for you at 19? I only believe that people should be able to make informed decisions.

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When i was a teen i saw a muscular black tranny loudly talking about how they became s tranny to a couple of fat enablers.

E: but did when did you start if you always knew?
T: I was at home late at night and i saw white chicks come on i think thats when I realized what i always was.

I had to run out of the pizza place because it was too funny and i didnt wanted to get beat up by a giant nigga, when i looked back at him all i could see was the white chicks influence and was laughing all day. lmao

>>1544

LEL

>>1539
>Apparently I can't upload PDFs so

That is the exactly same one I posted.

>tradition/societal pressure
Men like women, they like vaginas, they like having kids, they like being loved by a woman and taken care off. and vice-versa
Those are natural things that society its build around from, whether you agree with it or not matter not if you still live on it. At least in most western countries you do have the right to go live alternatively or whatever.
There are even trannies alternatives like the tranch(Real life horror movie with rape galore),there is plenty punk rock tranny heroin communities in most of western europe, there is the homeless emcampents in skidrow, that place in ukraine when the trans squad posted a selfie and got their location hit with artillery and others. But they do not seem successful to me and a downgrade for most(except the severe mentally ill or depressed).

If there is a will there is a way, just with your own friends on you own union.

>I don't agree with obsession with it, like a lot of women do have as you said.
If we are talking about women getting raped I have no idea of why do you should think they should not be obsessed with something regarding their safety matters.

>Excessive awareness of such violence begets more of this violence as it opens up more abusers to knowing about it and how low risk it really it.
Knowledge its power, I refuse to close my eyes and ears to the real world, so do most women.

>especially when there's no easy way to prevent it.
There is, you just gotta know a bout it to take the necessary precautions, forget about women, if i knew i was going in a dangerous area i would go in armed, i rather have the knowledge than to get played for a sucker for my cash, and losing a bit of cash its light compared to rape.

>Then say that the first time?
But then i wouldn't get it to format it in a cool way.

>it's not relevant to the discussion though.
If you are considering transitioning it its relevant to know that a good chunk of your peers might be junkies.

>I don't believe these things should cost money for the consumer (beyond taxes).
I meant as in you are 16 and still live with your parents.

People cant agree to pay taxes on general healthcare they will definitely hate paying for trannies, places might vary like california for example.

>That site is very much so not pro-trans.
Wrong tab i meant this one
https://pharma.nridigital.com/pharma_sept20/puberty_blockers_transgender_children

>NHS's switch is just from certainty to uncertainty which was done to appease political opposition.
I do not argue politics of a country I do not know its intricracies, I leave that to people who make 4x my salary. I only report on what happens on it.

>Then you made a grown up decision and it has consequences.
I agree.

>I think there should be support for cases like that even if they're incredibly rare.
I disagree, i wanna laugh at you, say i told you so and use you as a cautionary tale.

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I'll just leave this here.

>>1546
huh?

>>1546
Oh no i think you broke it.

Schizo tranny moment.

>>1549

huh?

Just wanna say, the person posting all the Lain pics is great. I don't give a shit about stupid ass internet arguments, but these pics greatly added to my Lain collection and overall unhealthy Lain addiction.Peace to all actors in this thread

>>1552
I'm glad you've enjoyed them. Unfortunately for you, this'll be the last of it. Take care of yourself out there, Lain.

I am glad i saw this thread unfold in the span of 2 months.

The tranny deleted all of his posts I hope he isnt dead.

>>1544

Fucking lmao

I feel like I've witnessed a part of Wirechan history

>>1561
Hahahaha I didn't kill myself; I'm not mentally unstable. I just figure not to leave myself up somewhere I feel it's not being appreciated. Besides, I like aiding to the temporality of imageboards.
>>1562
Should I be flattered by this?

>>1563
uhhh the way things went, maybe not

Okay this is just turning into att whoring now

/thread

Someone include me on the screenshot.

>>1566

How do you all know who is who? every bugger's bloody anonymous with a randomized username.

>>1566
The archive

Also I though you said your last post already no att whoring plz

>>1567
Part of using imageboards is having a little faith in your intuition. Sure I could be wrong but it wouldn't significantly affect me if I were.

>>1566
Sometimes imageboards are great. Someone who is on the same wavelength as you joins the discussion. You connect and share your thoughts and insights to each other. You feel connected and inspired by some random anon from the other side of the world. In the best case scenario those beautiful moments stay with you for the rest of your life.
Sometimes imageboards are not so great. You try to express your thoughts in a clear way to initiate a discussion. An anon enters and completely either ignores or fails to understand the content of your posts and the thread gets filled with angry insults and white noise.
All I can gather from your message is that my comment about IQ probably made you feel inferior, perhaps powerless, which in turn made you angry. Your post brings absolutely nothing of value to this thread (or Wirechan in general), quite the opposite. You did not respond to any of the content of my post, instead you chose to churn out a weak attack on my character.
I made this thread to initiate discussion about the potential of a third world war, and make people consider that maybe it has already started. The world is different from what it was 80 years ago and wars are also fought differently.
When I made the thread I was not looking for endless fighting about Poland's economy. This thread is more about geopolitics and war in the modern world.

>>1566

I made a long ass post trying to be nice, but scratch that, this conversation its effectively over give the fact you took a mental health leave, so i will just address the points i was holding myself back to keep the convo going and avoid mental damage.

Every single time you get put on a corner, you lash out like an injured animal, saying things are bad faith people are retarded and what not, i had to fish you out back by saying this internet words things are not to serious yet you still think so.

And second i said multiple times, if the alternative its suicide then yes its better.

You deleting your post its laughable since if there was ignorance or false info it its now unknowable l o l.

>when their existence doesn't even matter to those who stumble on them
I do not know why you kept powerleveling but this is an anonymous board, nobody cares about you by default since you do not exist as anything else than words on a screen. You want someone to care make real friends IRL.

I do not know what you mean when others get involved since it was just me and you going back and forth, just click to expand.

For some reason you are trying to change my mind (on the internet lol) while i was simply trying to portray reasons why trannydom bad. if for some reason, some retard loser lain fan(god knows there is too many) comes along this thread, he might consider twice before trannying out, this is why these opinions are banned from most mainstream places, because if there is a possibility that a vulnerable person might choose something else, it makes trannies brains explode because they never considered it first and now they are too far gone.

"Thats so bad faith"
"You are a fucking retard "
"you are a liar"
"Im right youre wrong, acknowledge it"

None of these things give a reason to consider anything other than to brand something to your ingroup as bad. If your schizo bpd brain cannot handle it just say so or quietly leave, this just makes you look worse. Unreasonable at best, Unhinged at worst

You should've just let your posts in now nobody can appreciate them, hope a true and honest trans woman who doesnt know doesnt come around and blow their brains out because there is no argument from his camp, just people making fun of them.

You said something like: "I acknowledged some things even how hard it would be to not be accepted as a real woman, why cant you acknowledge that something good comes out of it?" Before your first escape.
Which just sounds to me as "I bended over backwards, why can't you do the same too???" No wonder you don't have a problem with rape.

You simply cannot agree to disagree and need to have things your way an others not only need to understand why, they need to accept it. And if they don't, well i guess they're just retards and acting in bad faith, since i am 100% correct at all times, nothing of value can be found over there anyway. (ノ_<。)

This post are just words on a screen. DO NOT Trauma bond over it. Take your meds. I leave you to attention whore to the wolves.

/thread

(ᵔ∀ᵔ)лhahahahaha

>>1571
This whole post is mostly more word twisting to fit your narrative. Give an inch and they take a mile I guess, but it's funny that you don't see even one single fallacy among your posts. I know I had my share of the sum. Also, why are you trying to guilt me with hypothetical tranny suicides? That's pretty off the wall there.

I appreciate your concern for my mental health, but as I stated several times already I'm doing fine emotionally. In fact I haven't had any serious mental health issues in what is nearing a year, which I'm quite thankful for. I hope you've had the same luck; and if not, I hope it looks up soon.

All of that said, I will admit that I had my share in short sightedness as well. I made 3 serious posts more or less flaming you, but you've done likewise. Perhaps this thread was a step back for both of us as we clearly lost sight of the point. I definitely shouldn't have been so hasty and curt in the latter part of our discussion. Food for thought for myself there.

Anyways, goodnight, bud. Had fun while the fun lasted. I hope we encounter one another again on a different thread or platform and have more fun discussion, preferably on something you won't be so retarded about. Like religion maybe. I quite like the study of religion.

P.S. what attention whoring are you talking about? Does that confirm you as the author of those other posts? Oh and before you mention it again I clarified I wouldn't continue to discuss trans people as a political issue. I'm still here for any trannies who need advice.

P.P.S (งಠ_ಠ)ง　σ( • ω • σ)

>>1572

>This whole post is mostly more word twisting to fit your narrative.
how?

>you don't see even one single fallacy among your posts
Which?

Do you think you can just say things and people gotta take it as correct? And if not you throw a tantrum and run? Autism brain. No wonder you don't like sports, more like they dont like you, nobody wants to play with you if you're just gonna thrown a tantrum and cry and take the ball home. No wonder you friend group bullied you, I would've too.

>why are you trying to guilt me with hypothetical tranny suicides?
Its just a funny scenario I came up with in my head, this is an anonymous board, there is no you or me or anybody else beyond the words on the screen.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anonymous

>preferably on something you won't be so retarded about
Yes I am the retard you are the smart one, People should just bend over now and appreciate the fact that you said that. God that really wants me to let the tranny play on my womens team instead of denying him to the point of suicide.

>what attention whoring are you talking about?
You are more well know on wirechan than vcxl. Anonymous board AN-NON-Y-MOUS.

>ps
I am every single post on this thread also every everybody you ever knew and also your parents you crazy schizo. I am in your walls.

pssSST( ﾟ∀(・－・) I watched you sleeping last night..~

>>1443
I have read only the first and last post of this thread and I just want to say you guys are being insufferable and should just ignore the post.

>>1572
How many thing can you make it about yourself jebuz

>>1572

Hes deleting the posts, remember when he said he wasn't against people ,making a informed decision?
Copland enterprises remembers it.

Wow this shit is still going.

I figured this thread would've been dead by now.

Why'd the other tranny delete his posts?

>>1577
One part, I don't want them out there
One part, they sucked
One part, his posts sucked too
Two parts, the thread is way funnier now

SHUT UP AND POST LAIN SHITPOSTS OR GTFO

Can we /thread this already? This pretty much turned into making fun of the tranvestite the thread now.

>>1579
AYE AYE, MA'AM
>>1580
Why are you still mad about drama? This is a Lain fun thread now!

>>1581
Then make another one this thread will always have the drama on it.

>>1577
I think its because he would have to see it every time he jacks in.

Theres so many cuts a wrist can handle.

>>1582
But that's not as fun! And I like fun :3c
>>1584
Well that's not a very nice thing to say :c

>>1584

Of all the uncalled for things said on this lengthy godforsaken thread, you don't need to bring suicide up again. Hasn't the world suffered enough divide without you making it worse with an offhand comment like that?

Think about this, there is more negativity than positivity on this page. Set aside your fudging differences, transgender or not, and call it a night. Worst thread on wired IMO.
sry /rant/ over.

I like this thread its like a heed of warning for potential trannies so they can look forward to see what they will become.

Im making acollage from the archive.

>>1544
This is by far the best post on the thread lol

>>1587

Oh yeh. Encourage self-harm why don't you? Lock. This. Thread.

MODS!!!!

Lock and pin this thread.

This is wirechans most posted thread and the most divisive one so far, and while its important for the site culture it has definitely ran its course, shame that the tranny thought his post werent up to par and deleted them. This thread its just gonna devolve itself into flaming. It its important to the site culture though.

I am glad to be on of the few people that know about this site and watching it all unfold.

>>1589
Uncommon courteousy on wirechan