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 No.2012

Is SystemD really bad or is 4chan /g/ just being retarded?

 No.2013

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Because it's basically a mini-OS, and that means going all in, or all out.
Most people usually just want to use systemd's service gestor because it's nice, but you can't just install that, instead you have to install a bunch of garbage, because all of systemd's utilities are very much consolidated.
Overall Systemd is okay, it has pros and cons, but thanks to devs being fucking retarded, you can't just have the good things, at least not without doing a bunch of things, which can be tiresome.

 No.2014

It's not that bad, they just need something to be upset about.

 No.2015

It really is that bad because it's a portent of things to come. Linus is going to die someday.

 No.2016

>>2013
>>2015
So the problem is that it's bloated?

 No.2017

>>2016
Yup. Bloat = more potential bugs and vulnerabilities

 No.2018

>>2017
Are there any just works distros without it? I currently use Mint and it's the only distro I've used that has good defaults, is reliable, and doesn't make me jump through unecessary hoops to do shit. It's almost like I'm using Windows 7 again.

 No.2019

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>>2016
Systemd is not "bloated" the way Emacs is bloated. Systemd is more like JavaScript: it's a cancerous thing that spreads to places it shouldn't.
I'm not much of an autist about this stuff and I use distros with and without Systemd but I still think it's objectively cancerous software.

 No.2020

>>2018
>Are there any just works distros without it?
Devuan: https://www.devuan.org/

But I personally prefer Gentoo and Artix but they don't have much installed by default and they don't have installers (you need to install them "manually" by extracting a tarball and then you need to install everything you need).

 No.2021

>>2020
Artix has installers. Though it won't help you with things like GPU drivers.

 No.2022

I'm using Alpine at the moment on my laptop, it has a pretty nice BSD-like installer and uses OpenRC as the init system and service manager. It's good, simple and minimalistic for a Linux distro, but what annoyed me at first was the lack of man-pages, apropos etc. in a fresh install.

 No.2024

One thing systemd got right is replacing the crontab, which has a crusty opaque syntax, with timer files, which are so much clearer and more explicit.

systemctl list-timers

 No.2036

>>2020
I've been running Artix for a year or so now but unfortunately the system fried itself for no real reason 3 times now. Twice the the computer suddenly doesn't finde the OS anymore when booting and the other time I had a really weird bug that made me not use any programs, when my connectivity changed (entered VPN, LAN on/off). I don't manipulate any system files and really just install stuff via pacman.
I think I'm gonna reinstall it again, cause I really like it, but is that something that happens only to me? Or is my dual boot (not the same hard drive) the root of the problem?



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