No.5555
>>5553>What a shame. I spent a month and a half away and now this place looks brand new again.On the bright side, now you can rebuild it to be whatever you want it to be.
No.5556
>>5555Very true, we are entering a new era and we can't afford to be pessimistic
No.5557
>>5556Aye. Most important thing to me is we don't slip into the rhythm of slurs and insults.
This world is angry, but I find the angriest on chan boards. It's not cool, or superior, or clever.
No.5572
>>5547Why did they leave
>>5213? I find it dissapointing that they left my venting, but wiped all the much better discussion here.
>>5555>>5556>>5557Agreed. I'm trying to be more optimistic these days, and I'm happy to have discovered this place.
No.5577
Sharty attack
>>5572Im glad they left your venting, the boomer was right about everything.
No.5583
>>5546The tranny thread being lost was a huge blow, it was so perfect in a way that it dismantled their whole excuse for being.
No.5593
>>5583No, the tranny was honestly kicking ass. The guy ceded every point he made and resorted to bad faith. The tranny just had a meltdown over the trolling and nuked all their posts. The guy was kind of stupid desu.
No.5594
>>5593Huge cope, and damage control, why would you lie over something like that when you can read the thread here btw
https://web.archive.org/web/20230324213431/https://wirechan.org/lain/res/1443.htmlThe guy quoted post by post and the tranny simply couldn't handle it and started saying he was contradicting himself without being able to point out the contradictions, it was a greek play of a mental breakdown perfect in every what, It was like a bone chilling, spine tingling movie that ended up with the climax of the tranny losing his grip on reality and breaking. He had to spam pics after to try and derrail the thread and it just ended up with people making fun of him, there was 0 trolling pre-mental breakdown, he was actually being much more respectful than what trannys deserve imo.
No.5595
>>5594Embarrassing reply. That whole thread was a bunch of numbskulls, who's capacity for calm, rational discourse barely reached /pol/ in summer, sqauking off at the mere mention of transgenderism.
No.5596
>>5593This is massive cope
I saw the thread/archive being posted in 3 different places as how to deal with trannys
No.5597
>>5594There's literally none of the tranny's posts in that archive, but I remember the tranny citing source after source while the other guy had to be begged to do so. I hate to say it, but the tranny had the stronger argument. They just also had the stronger emotions and acted like a retard.
No.5598
>>5597Ive also seen the collage of it being posted with the tranny posts but cant find it rn.
Thank the lord the guy quoted the trannys posts so we know exactly the wording of it, You would've had a way stronger argument if we didn't know the exact same wording of it. While the tranny had to pick and choose what to reply.
Are you the tranny?
No.5599
>>5598You don't happen to have that collage now do you?
No.5600
>>5598>Ive also seen the collage of it being posted with the tranny posts but cant find it rn.I hope you find it soon.
>Are you the tranny?I am A tranny, but not THE tranny.
No.5601
>>5600>I am A tranny, but not THE tranny.As anyone could predict.
No.5602
>>5597>the guy that had a mental breakdown, ran away, came back and started to derrail the thread so that his mental breakdown wont be the focus of it won the argument.I cannot even fathom the mental gymnastics needed to reach this conclusion. Please explain how you did it.
No.5603
>>5602Don't know, it seems simple to me. The tranny made fair points and backed them up while the other guy just said they were wrong without proof or ignored them. Despite seeming like some weirdo twitter lefty who just started transitioning <1 year before posting, I don't think she was that logically unsound until she got ass blasted on a forum over bad faith arguments and trolling. I also don't think there's a solid point to make that she derailed the thread when it literally just turned into hon posting and the tranny deleted all of her posts.
No.5604
>>5603The tranny literally said it was an elder tranny.
The tranny came back to att whore and spam the threads with pics after the mental breakdown
>bad faith arguments and trollingCan you quote those for me? Or are you hallucinating it?
>>5601Are you the
I get it's a shitpost, and I get it's the internet, but fuck dude, why be cruel for the sake of cruelty?
Do you genuinely lack that much empathy?
Tranny
No.5605
>>5604>The tranny literally said it was an elder tranny.Yeah, the tranny said that, but I don't really buy it. Maybe they're an older person but they were definitely fresh to transitioning or just hung out too much around way too many baby transes. Spend enough time on /tttt/ and you really get a sense for the talking points that baby transes make and she hit every one of them almost.
>The tranny came back to att whore and spam the threads with pics after the mental breakdownI'll be honest, and maybe this is me being schizo, but I think a lot of the post screech shit was false flagging. Like the typing style/tone was just too different not to mention that weirdo namefag showing up to crappily soapbox too. Just seems like people want to perpetuate the shit storm when it already lost its momentum.
>Can you quote those for me? Or are you hallucinating it?I'm gonna go to bed now because it's late and I've got work tommorow, but yeah sure I'll point out some things I thought were bad faith arguments for you tomorrow.
No.5606
>>5604>>5603>>5601>>5602This is about to turn into another tranny has a mental breakdown thread
I go the popcorn ready please do not disappoint.
( ˘ɷ˘)っ♨
No.5607
>>5606Tranny thread 2.0 oh yeah!
No.5608
I only come here once in a while but ill be watching this thread, the tranny thread was historic
No.5609
>>5606>>5607>>5608Holy bad actors, batman, I haven't seen this much idiocy since October. I think I'm gonna cut this one short, no reason to co-op OP's thread either.
>>5604If you want to continue the conversation in private, you can email me: theaeneadsucked(at)proton(dot)me
No.5610
You lot can royally fuck off. You don’t agree with a modern social construct of transgenderism, fine.
But I don't think it is acceptable, this boastful attitude that comes with calling it the 'tranny wars', for one you are misremembering history and holding it on a very high pedestal.
Don’t even need to say about the same fucking slurs and petty insults typed here time and time again. Your ego's are off the charts, what dregs of humanity you must be.
I hate to think that even that argument's yard cesspit would be considered the best of wirechan. That is sad, you are all very sad.
Logic is panic's prey.
No.5611
>>5610My dearest friend, transgenderism is not a mere "social construct," whatever that term is supposed to mean. It is a serious mental illness, just like pedophilia, with the only difference that, unlike pedophilia, it does not necessarily lead to harming others, even if that is still sometimes the case, but all the more it leads to trannies harming themselves. Also, I would like to point out that the word "tranny" is by no means a swear word and the fact that you feel it that way indicates possible damage to your brain.
In light of all this, I would recommend that you eat a bullet, and I would be especially happy if you streamed this act publicly.
No.5612
>>5609Bro it didn't even start and you're already running away wtf lmao
No.5613
>>5611>>5612Insanely bad faith trolling
No.5614
>>5611
> My dearest friend, transgenderism is not a mere "social construct," whatever that term is supposed to mean. It is a serious mental illness, just like pedophilia, with the only difference that, unlike pedophilia, it does not necessarily lead to harming others, even if that is still sometimes the case, but all the more it leads to trannies harming themselves. Also, I would like to point out that the word "tranny" is by no means a swear word and the fact that you feel it that way indicates possible damage to your brain. That’s just like, your opinion man. -_-
> In light of all this, I would recommend that you eat a bullet, and I would be especially happy if you streamed this act publicly.Aww this fella wants to see me off myself which is what you are referring to.. yes? Suicide? Recommend all you like, your views are not reality, last thing this place needs is a revival of patronising scum like you.
Being anon allows you to take liberties, foul language and pigeonholing certainly do not help to get closer in point of view.
I really wonder how you would argue in real life… do you, sitting in front of each other, also use expletives to fortify your point?
No.5616
>>5614Dear man, woman, plant or elephant - whatever your mental illness makes you see yourself as, it is indeed my opinion that someone who mutilates his own body in the unfulfillable hope of one day passing as another sex is clearly not mentally healthy. Why you will never reach this impossible goal should be known to you, if your brain should still function surprisingly, or should I bring you the relevant copypasta closer?
If you don't want to consider suicide, there are more constructive approaches, such as staying in a psychiatric ward or getting beaten up by black gentlemen.
No.5617
>>5611I had to create a pastebin because I cited too many (44) sources.
https://pastebin.com/NzDAmrez No.5619
>>5617The fact that you have so many pseudo-studies at your fingertips only proves that you are obsessed with justifying your insanity. This is because deep down you know how abnormal and sick you are.
But to address the core message of all these worthless papers, which is the opinion that poisoning your own body with foreign hormones is somehow healthy: If you grant the wish of a madman who asks others to amputate his legs, he will also be happier, but this in no way means that you would have to comply with this sick request.
If you really want to harm yourself, do it quickly and fatally so that others do not have to suffer from your existence.
No.5620
>>5619You will do anything except provide a shred of evidence, won't you.
No.5621
>>5619One trick pony post.
I think you have made these "points" previously, and you KNOW they hold no water, so to add unnecessary gravitas, in the last paragraph you encourage posters to kill themselves.
Stop being so familiar, familiarity breeds contempt.
Worthless words.
No.5622
>>5620I simply don't believe that men not being women needs any evidence beyond common sense.
No.5623
>>5622That claim was never made.
No.5624
>>5621>Stop being so familiar, familiarity breeds contempt.I wholeheartedly agree with this sentence, but must add that it is you, as well as other lunatics of your type, who keep repeating yourself. You constantly screech that the points made by mentally healthy people are "wrong" without even giving any proof that is not a mere repetition of your statement that self-mutilation is oh so healthy. You are like the pedophiles who also cons,tantly claim that their urge to defile children is equal to love.
And no, I'm not repeating myself, because unlike you my debates are not usually about the completely deranged.
No.5625
>>5623And yet, you yourself stated in this thread that you are a tranny.
No.5626
>>5625I don't recall seeing anyone saying anything about men being women, though. Looks to me like those wily kids you're trying to run off your property are actually just your strawmen, farmer.
No.5628
>>5624
> You are like the pedophiles who also cons,tantly claim that their urge to defile children is equal to love.Hah am I really?
Quite a presumption there, since you know absolutely fuck all about me except for my disagreence that trans people are mentally ill and the death-based hatred you harbour. You aren't a man speaking from experience which is obvious to everyone reading?
> And no, I'm not repeating myself, because unlike you my debates are not usually about the completely deranged.Well then, prove this point by either shutting up for once, or displaying counter evidence. Longer we keep going mate, the sillier this statement will look.
You want to see the deranged? Look in the mirror.
No.5629
>>5611>tells someone to kill themself>compares being trans to pedophilia>cites exactly 0 sources>>5616>tells someone to hurt themself>claims being trans is when you want to be an elephant>cites exactly 0 sources>>5619>tells someone to kill themself>claims every article is bogus without so much as addressing why>cites exactly 0 sources>>5622>literally says his beliefs are beyond evidence>>5624>claims the other side is clinically insane>compares someone to a pedophileYeah, I'm thinking this guy is totally unserious.
No.5630
>>5626So if you as a tranny don't focus your obsession on "becoming a woman", whereby I wonder why you then posted links to pseudo-scientific studies on poisoning the male body with female hormones, what are you imitating? An animal, a plant, maybe even a loaf of bread? Probably I will never understand something like that.
>>5628Doesn't it surprise you that no matter where in the world you go, the only ones who declare you "normal" are crazies like you? The only place you exist is in the media-corrupted West, and even here your numbers are in the low single digits and you are either despised or laughed at by everyone. Also pretty funny that your only answer on you being deranged is "no u".
>>5629>Yeah, I'm thinking this guy is totally unserious.We are on an imageboard, my good one.
So good night, my dear friend, and don't forget what I said about the bullet.
No.5631
>>5630> So if you as a tranny don't focus your obsession on "becoming a woman", whereby I wonder why you then posted links to pseudo-scientific studies on poisoning the male body with female hormones, what are you imitating? An animal, a plant, maybe even a loaf of bread? Probably I will never understand something like that.You hadn't even considered trans men in this you ninny. Assigned at birth women transitioning to male. Let's see you express equal disgust towards them, I think your trans argument is entirely biased.
(Bewildered by how much you presume, as what you do say is unsurprisingly narrow concurrent.)
No.5632
>>5630> Doesn't it surprise you that no matter where in the world you go, the only ones who declare you "normal" are crazies like you? The only place you exist is in the media-corrupted West, and even here your numbers are in the low single digits and you are either despised or laughed at by everyone. Also pretty funny that your only answer on you being deranged is "no u".This guy still hasn't got his tiny head around to thinking that maybe I'm not trans? You'd be shocked to find out that!
No.5633
>>5630I have to admit that you have to scout out some pretty gullible people to literally admit to trolling and still get genuine response. Good on you, I guess. Sleep tight, peckerwood.
No.5634
>>5630>what are you imitating? Nothing, I'm just beeeeing myself.
>Probably I will never understand something like that.Having a personality seems that way to the uninitiated.
No.5635
>>5632Now why would he think that?
>>5600The only people unhinged enough to go off like this the moment people don't constantly affirm their insane delusions are trannies, I know this because I've experienced it dozens of times. Once on this exact site. They demand everybody, especially themselves, ignore reality so their horrific fetish.
No.5636
>>5609Dude, whats wrong, afraid of a little audience? How are you gonna convince the greater population about hoe being transgender its great when you can't even do it whit some anonymous retards
Ill awnser your>>5617 quotes when I have time and hopefully you're not gonna have mental break down like the other tranny did
No.5637
>>5612I think we found the tranny from that thread.
No.5639
>>5636I didn't write
>>5617 and I also don't care about political activism. I don't get how trying to talk about stupid chan posts is getting blown up into this huge fight of the century. Please, honestly, keep your response to yourself.
No.5641
>>5639I swear this place circlejerks itself and it's 'history' into oblivion some days.
No.5643
>>5617I would like to preface this by saying that if you are a person who don't like trannys thats fine but if you're also a retard don't try to argue because bawwning about trannies its not an argument and it makes their side look good, cease your posting if all youre gonna do its bawwwn you're not helping.
Now:
Quotes from the first studies that (you) posted
>Similar to the previous reports of VTE events among MTF individuals on estrogen therapy, data suggest that transgender women may have an elevated risk of vascular events compared to female controls. Wierckx et al. (2013) (n = 214) reported an incidence of MI among MTF adults that matched that of male controls, but exceeded female controls; three transgender women experienced a myocardial infarction (average 48 years old) within two years of estrogen therapy . In the same study, an increase in cerebrovascular disease and transient ischemic attack (TIA) among MTF adults was also observed in the same study, as compared to male controls; five transgender women on estrogen therapy (average 7.2 years) experienced one of these conditions (average 51 years old).>(2013) observed an increased in type 2 diabetes among both FTM and MTF individuals. Gooren et al. (2008) reported decreased insulin sensitivity among both MTF and FTM individuals on HT, as well as elevated fasting insulin on MTF HT [4]. Bosinski et al. (1997) reported a higher rate of PCOS and non-classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia among 12 FTM individuals prior to HT, suggesting a pre-existing metabolic risk in this population . Whether these metabolic parameters relate to hormone therapy or simply a general response to change in body hormones remains to be studied. Polderman et al. (1994) studied glycemic control of 18 MTF and 13 FTM individuals using a glucose-clamp technique whose results also suggested that HT in both groups could increase insulin resistance.>Studies with the greatest statistical power show increased rates of osteopenia in transgender women on HT, however these may be limited by including participants who used anti-androgens for one year before starting estrogen therapy. . (2012) examined 100 transgender men and women after a mean of 10 years on HT; 25% of transgender women experienced osteoporosis whereas transgender men did not . Decreased bone mass has been reported at the lumbar spine [56], hip and radius regions [57]. There are a lack of fracture data available in transgender individuals. Wierckx et al. (2012) suggested that this decrease in bone mass could be due to either increased screening of MTF individuals, anti-androgen therapy itself (as noted in the decreased bone mass of non-transgender men on anti-androgens), or prior clinical practices of administering an anti-androgen for one year before the start of estrogen therapy [6]. Additionally, transgender women in Wierckx et al. (2012) had lower estrogen levels than female controls which may account for their relative rise in osteopenia >Three trans women experienced transient elevation of liver enzymes. A significant increase in breast tenderness, hot flashes, emotionality, and low sex drive was observed (all P ≤ 0.02). Fasting insulin, total body fat mass, and prolactin levels increased, and waist–hip ratio, lean mass, total C, and LDL‐C decreased.
>We conclude that hormone therapy may decrease depression among transgender people. The strength of evidence for this conclusion is low due to concerns about study designs, small sample sizes, and confounding.>Low quality evidence suggests that hormone therapy may lead to improvements in psychological functioningNow that is not my problem with trannys, I really don't care if you wanna use steroids/estrogen dawg. They do what steroids/estrogen do, they will make you look more like a caricature version of a man/woman and will have all the side effects steroids/estrogen include, and that is fine that is a personal choice if you are an adult.
I just want to be able to laugh, I laugh when I see a steroid dude looking like a ballon having roid rage, I wanna laugh at a tranny who looks like silence of the lambs.
You can read the studies and quotes by yourself to figure it out whether its healthy or not(spoiler it isn't) but that is your personal choice, I just wanna laugh at it.
P.S
And i had to delete a bunch of quotes bcz spam filtering, none of those studies (you posted) are saying its super healthy. Koi relax on the spam filtering plz ヾ( ￣O￣)ツ
>>5639Too late nigga, big texts tranny thread style incoming.
Tranny thread 2.0
(1/?)
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No.5646
>>5617Most of the 3rd point are behind paywalls, Ill work with what I got.
>Structural barriers to transgender healthcare include high uninsured rates or lack of coverage for transgender-related services, inadequate training of physicians on transgender-sensitive care, and limited access to providers who offer transgender-related care.The reason there isn't many its because people don't want to do it.
>Interpersonal barriers to healthcare include lack of provider sensitivity or knowledge when providing transgender healthcare, refusal to care for transgender patients, and harassment.They refuse because there is a element of human psyche that activates fight or flight when they see trannys because of the danger they represent(not necessarily to others but also to themselves).
>A 2017 qualitative report on the healthcare provided to transgender and gender non-conforming (TGGNC) patients in emergency departments found that 45.7% of patients witnessed medical personnel gossiping, mocking, or telling jokes about TGGNC patients,LOL, so what? Medical personal can't laugh at a trainwreck?
>8.6% reported being outed by a healthcare professional, and 62.9% had an experience with healthcare staff refusing to use their correct pronouns.Medical staff are not your buddys they're doing a job.
>Another anticipation barrier stemming from structural and interpersonal barriers is the avoidance of public restrooms. The 2015 USTS revealed that 59% of respondents reported avoiding public restrooms within the year prior. A total of 32% of respondents reported avoiding drinking or eating to avoid the need to use the restroom. Denial of access to restrooms and experiences with verbal, physical, and sexual assault in restrooms are among the structural and interpersonal barriers that contribute to the avoidance of public restrooms by TNB individuals.This on its internesting, so people don't wanna share a bathroom with trannys, whats the solution? Should we force them to? They don't mind sharing it with the same sex.
This one its the most interesting of issues outlined on the 3rd paragraph, but i believe that was already discussed on the og tranny thread where they both reached an agreement.
>am not opposed to being nice to your local trans cashier or third gender bathrooms or whatever I don't really care and would probably put one in any business I owned, Its not that big of a deal.We can have the 3rd bathroom I have absolutely no problem with that it lets everybody know who is a weirdo when they see them going in the weirdo designated bathroom.
No.5648
>>56174th
>Controlling for age and sex assigned at birth, recent gender knowledge was not significantly associated with depressive symptoms, psychological distress, past diagnoses with mental health issues or neurodevelopmental disorders, gender dysphoria symptoms, self-harm, past-year suicide attempt, having gender-supportive online friends, general support from online friends or transgender friends, or gender support from parents. Recent gender knowledge was associated with lower scores on anxiety severity/impairment (b = −3.272; 95% CI −5.172, −1.373), and lower prevalence of marijuana use (prevalence ratio = 0.11; 95% CI 0.02, 0.82), counter to hypothesized directions of effect. For sensitivity analysis using the alternate (value ≤2) definition of recent gender knowledge, we found all results substantively the same in statistical significance and direction of effect, except past-year marijuana use, which now only approached statistical significance (P = .0677).Trannys were mentally ill pre transition and now they smoke more weed. edit: that was a terrible study that had nothiing to do with the point they said wtf??
>In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Now I buck back with my own articles.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/lgbtq-sex-offender-registries/https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2789482https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/homosexual-molestation-childrensexual-interaction-teacher-and-pupilhttps://www.familyresearchinst.org/2012/01/how-much-child-molestation-is-homosexual/There was only 2 things that weren't paywalled, working with what I got.
>>5647Im saving my relevant articles for the end hold your balls till then.
No.5650
>>5619>LGBTQ+ youth have higher rates of self-harm and suicide than cisgender, heterosexual peers>the full survey sample comprised 859 TGD young people aged 14–25 years who were residing in Australia at the time of the survey. Demographic details of the sample are reported in Table 1. The majority of participants were assigned female at birth (74.4%). The mean age of participants was 19.37 years (SD = 3.15). A total of 29.7% (n = 255) of participants identified as trans male or male, 15% (n = 129) identified as trans female or female, and 48.5% (n = 417) identified as various nonbinary identities, including nonbinary trans masculine, nonbinary femme, agender, bigender, pangender, and other nonbinary identities. Further details on the gender identities of participants are reported in the study by Strauss et al.12 Approximately representative of the population of Australia, 3.7% of participants who responded were of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander descent.18>The prevalence of abuse experienced by the study population is summarized in Table 2. Physical abuse was more commonly perpetrated by a family member than someone external to the family (24.8% compared with 16.2%). Conversely, sexual abuse was more common outside the family than within the family (24.3% compared with 7.5%). Almost a third of participants had experienced abuse within an intimate relationship (30.9%). Experiences of other familial abuse—including neglect and emotional or verbal abuse—were reported by 57.9% of participants.>Sexual abuse within the family was significantly higher for those assigned female at birth (8.9%) compared with those assigned male at birth (3.0%). There were no other statistically significant differences in the prevalence of abuse between participants assigned male or female at birth. There were also no significant differences in prevalence when comparing by gender identity. In relation to age groups, abuse within an intimate relationship and extrafamilial sexual abuse were significantly more likely to be reported by participants aged 18 years or older (35.1% compared with 20.0%, and 27.0% compared with 17.3%, respectively). Table 2 reports on whether the participant thought that the abuse occurred because of their trans identity. A third of participants (32.2%) thought that extrafamilial physical abuse was related to their trans identity. In contrast, sexual abuse (both within and outside of the family) was rarely attributed to an individual's trans identity. For other familial abuse (including emotional or verbal abuse and neglect), the relationship with the respondent's trans identity was more mixed, with 31.9% attributing such abuse to their trans identity and 19.6% stating that the abuse may have been partially or sometimes attributed to their trans identity. Regarding abuse within an intimate relationship, 20% of participants attributed this to their trans identity and 12.0% believed that it was at least partially attributed to their identity.> Among 201 trans women interviewed, 26.9% were currently homeless. In the past year, 59.7% had been homeless, 34.3% changed housing, 60.7% had a housing situation other than renting or owning. Experiences of violence were common: 36.8% experienced any form of violence, including sexual (16.9%), intimate partner (14.9%), and other physical (25.4%) in the past year. Experiences of violence were significantly associated with multiple measures of housing insecurity. Younger age, being misgendered, and substance use were also associated with experiences of violence.Yes trannys are at risk for self harm, suicide attempts, have been molested and abused and have a extremely high depression rate. Great study, but whats your point here?
No.5651
>>5647Actually I want to know what we are really debating here, are we picking up on where the elder tranny left? Or do you have point you're trying to make?
My point is this:
Trannys are gross and repulsive, and people don't want to be around them, but they wanna laugh at them from a distance, nobody wants them around and thats is why they self harm and have an extremely high suicide rate, that is however nobodys problem but theirs.
No.5653
>>5651I get it's a shitpost, and I get it's the internet, but fuck dude, why be cruel for the sake of cruelty?
Do you genuinely lack that much empathy?
No.5654
>>5651Your "point" (read: conclusion) is fundamentally incorrect. Literally the first link on google when you look up "transgender acceptance" proves you wrong when it comes to the [the only nation that matters], where most of the insane "culture war" shit is going on. Literally only 10% of people in the [only country that matters] oppose transgender people having rights.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/The conclusion I've come to is that the only real place to argue about trans people is almost purely philosophical as the science is pretty resounding on the benefits of permitting transition under a strong informed consent model. It also suggests that the current biggest issues with transgender health right now are related to a minority of resistant sociological ideologies that dominate politics due to [the only country that matter]'s shitty governmental system. As for "repeating" or "carrying on" the tranny thread, I think you and the couple other goobers are the only ones who want that. I made my case pretty solidly earlier and I don't really care to debate it further or counter every 1985 study with a sample size of 20 that you pull up.
No.5655
>>5651>nobody wants them around and thats is why they self harm and have an extremely high suicide rateThat really doesn't work though. It's so absurdly high that no purely social explanation can fit. Besides, in basically every country where you find them you also find every major corporate and governmental organization bending over backwards to appeal to the, far beyond reason. The truth of their self harms is that they believe their own propaganda. They think cutting themselves up will solve their dysphoria and give them the sexual high they desire. Then when it inevitable causes things to get far worse they can't cope with it and off themselves.
No.5656
>>5653So is the only explanation you can come up with for why people don't constantly affirm you is they're cruel? Does every challenge really hurt you that bad? Imagine how bad things would be if you were an actual dissident and most people in your country wanted you dead.
No.5658
>>5657I don't cite sources. Both the journalist and scientific apparatuses are completely compromised and actively malicious. The only thing I can trust is what I experience, and this has been my experience after long observation of trannies online, and especially those who regret their transition (only to get shot down by the greater trans "community"). The fact that all major power centers are bending over backwards to support them is undeniable to anyone with honestly, and the idea that a 50 suicide rate can be explained by social ostracization is absurd; especially as someone who's ACTUALLY not welcome in society.
No.5660
>>5659Can you engage with arguments beyond shoving articles and papers in people face? Try and identify and engage with the arguments in the last post, as an intellectual exercise.
No.5661
>>5660What about "LITERALLY EVERYONE IS SUPPORTING TRANNIES EXCEPT ME!! THAT'S ALL THE PROOF I NEED!!" am I supposed to be engaging with as an "intellectual exercise." That sound more like a plunge into the icy cold lake of retardation to me.
No.5662
>>5661So no, you can't. You are so wrong about what is was written that the only option is malice or stupidity.
No.5664
>>5662Do I have to specify that it's a one way trip into that lake? Like I really just don't want to become a tardsicle.
No.5665
>>5654I literally quoted your sources wtf??
Ill a wser you when i have time but YOUR sources are the ones saying that its not benefitial the one that YOU posted, do you even read them?
No.5666
>>5665I'm talking about the articles that you "bucked back" with. Also, did you not realize that I cited one of those articles myself and that the first two are both blatantly jn support of the idea that transgender people are unjustly targeted. Now check my satan get, dope.
No.5667
>>5666>We conclude that hormone therapy may decrease depression among transgender people. The strength of evidence for this conclusion is low due to concerns about study designs, small sample sizes, and confounding.>Low quality evidence suggests that hormone therapy may lead to improvements in psychological functioningThose are YOUR articles
>>5654>38% say society has gone too far in accepting them, >a majority (54%) say society has either gone too far or been about right in terms of acceptance.>the survey finds that a majority of U.S. adults (64%) say they would favor laws that would protect transgender individuals from discrimination in jobs, housing and public spaces such as restaurants and stores. But there is also a fair amount of support for specific proposals that would limit how trans people can participate in certain activities and navigate their day-to-day lives. >Roughly six-in-ten adults (58%) favor proposals that would require transgender athletes to compete on teams that match the sex they were assigned at birth (17% oppose this, 24% neither favor nor oppose).>and 46% favor making it illegal for health care professionals to provide someone younger than 18 with medical care for a gender transition (31% oppose).>The public is more evenly split when it comes to making it illegal for public school districts to teach about gender identity in elementary schools (41% favor and 38% oppose) and investigating parents for child abuse if they help someone younger than 18 get medical care for a gender transition (37% favor and 36% oppose).>Six-in-ten U.S. adults say that whether a person is a man or a woman is determined by their sex assigned at birth. This is up from 56% one year ago and 54% in 2017.>About four-in-ten say society has gone too far in accepting trans people.Do you even read the things you send?
Just a reminder that 40% of people in the only nation that matters its about 133,315,022.8 million people
I don't oppose them having rights I just like to make fun of them.
You don't have a right to not be laughed at, you do not have a right to not be gossiped about and you do not have a right to not be ignored by people.
No.5668
>>5546This its getting it to be a good thread, with every single source the tranny posts the deeper the hole he digs for himself. its poetic. I hope that some guy that its thinking of transitioning looks at this and the og tranny thread and realizes that can only lead to you becoming like them.
No.5669
>>5667>Those are YOUR articlesA) (You) linked 4 websites in
>>5648, only two of which are from academic journals, those are the things I'm talking about.
B) (You) claim I didn't read my articles by quoting random supplementary sources and claiming they represent the whole. It is worth noting that this is likely projection as (You) didn't recognize (You)r own source when I pointed out its incredibly poor quality.
C) The only argument (You) have made against my conclusion involves misconstruing what I said to mean that I think America is perfect when it comes to trans rights when that is the opposite of what my conclusion states.
D) I do not care about anti-trans or anti-LGBT jokes. They may be problematic, but (You) are unduly painting me out to be some evil hyena who wants to suppress free speech. Please read my conclusion again.
No.5670
>>5631The vast majority of trannies are men who desperately tell themselves they are really women. The reason why it is rarely the other way around is on the one hand the fact that women generally have a healthier psyche and therefore show mental illnesses less often, a claim for which I could look up the source, but I won't for you disgusting waste of oxygen, on the other hand the strategy of the capitalist elites to manipulate as many men as possible into trannyhood, because they become complete slaves of their sick fetish, and thus easily manipulable.
The only reason you are now resorting to accusing me of misogyny is that you have no reality-based reasons to consider yourself healthy. In reality, it's sickos of your ilk who are misogynistic, since it's you who want to force women and even girls (what was that about pedophilia again?) to see you in their toilets.
>>5653The post you quote is not cruel at all. You definitely have the opportunity to help yourself by finally stopping being a disgusting tranny. If you don't want to do that, be so gracious as to spare us yourself and finally end your pathetic existence.
>(1/∞) No.5671
>>5669A) What
B) I quoted points in YOUR articles that are against YOUR point, the things that YOU are saying its contradicted by the quotes from YOUR articles.
C)I was just quoting YOUR articles
D) No i dont care if you do or even if you try to surpress it because i will do it anyway.
My point is this:
Trannys are gross and repulsive, and people don't want to be around them, but they wanna laugh at them from a distance, nobody wants them around and thats is why they self harm and have an extremely high suicide rate, that is however nobodys problem but theirs.
Its that a true or false statement?
And explain why. This is a discussion board I wanna know in YOUR words and YOUR reasons why should I care about trannys comiting suicide? why shouldn't I make fun of them? why when a tranny asks my friend group something we should not ignore him?
I don't care if the government lets them take steroids, or if they wanna use the weirdo bathroom. I care about laughing
at their lives. Simple and plain.
>>5668I think its good for the slow burn, we all know that the tranny will break eventually but the anticipation its what keeps the thread interesting, otherwise it would just be another boring tranny suicide attempt.
No.5672
>>5671>YOU are saying its contradicted by the quotes from YOUR articles.I didn't say that because I'm not even referring to those in the firstplace.
>I was just quoting YOUR articlesWell you weren't doing a very good job, I don't know what tell you.
>Its that a true or false statement?It's false.
>And explain whySee
>>5654>This is a discussion boardThis is /b/
> I wanna know in YOUR words and YOUR reasons why should I care about trannys comiting suicide?(You) want me to spoon feed you my opinion so you can spit it back up. I'm not gonna get blatantly bad faithed like the tranny from the last thread. I provided sources and I provided my conclusion based on them. I'm not here to argue the ethics of your grand acts of defiance like ignoring your trans uncle when they ask you to pass the salt.
No.5674
>>5672When u trans uncle comits suicide its it sad or happy thing
No.5676
>>5671> I care about laughing at their lives. I can’t make head nor tail of the current happenings and honestly… it’s just white noise. But this here, who would want to know or even BE you with this mindset? It’s vile.
No.5677
>>5676After you swallowed the bullet the noise will stop. The pain, the suffering and the constant feeling of being unloved will finally seize. You will go into the sweet embrace of thanatos.
You just have to pull the trigger.
No.5678
>>5674Allow me to flaunt my inner academic then. What constitutes suicide? What makes suicide a substantially different enough form of death to warrant noting? What is happiness? What is sadness? From what perspective are we talking? Are metaphysical answers worth anything here? These might sound ridiculous, but these are important questions.
No.5680
>>5672I undestand…
So were just gonna be going in circles, you post articles you don't read, I quote them "wrong"(lmao) then you complain.
I think we got all we can from this particular tranny, good thing the articles were posted and people can just stumble on this thread and make their own conclusions.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230324213431/https://wirechan.org/lain/res/1443.htmlHere is the og tranny thread if any one wants to read it, its a good contrast between the chaotic schizo dada of this thread and the calm but mentally intrusive one of the og.
>>5676>I can’t make head nor tail of the current happenings and honestly… it’s just white noise. But this here, who would want to know or even BE you with this mindset? It’s vile.According to studies on this thread 54% of the us population i assume that number to be exponentially higher when you factor in other countries.
Its like when someone slips on a banana peel after you tell them not to go that way because there is many banana peels in their path, divine comedy.
I get it's a shitpost, and I get it's the internet, but fuck dude, why be cruel for the sake of cruelty?
Do you genuinely lack that much empathy?
>>5678>What constitutes suicide?Taking your own life
>What makes suicide a substantially different enough form of death to warrant noting? Its the only one that its on purpose, usually people don't want to die.
>What is happiness?Technically chemicals, practically
a state of mind where at being yourself at an particular moment brings you great pleasure
>What is sadness?Technically chemicals, practically a state of mind where at being yourself at an particular moment brings you great distress
>From what perspective are we talking?a human bean
>Are metaphysical answers worth anything here?Yes and no, suicide its the death of the body, understanding what causes it its irrelevant if you can't fix it(without committing suicide of course). Understanding might help fix them or might show you are at a point of no return.
No.5681
>>5546Spam filter its crazy koi
No.5682
>>5680>I think we got all we can from this particular trannyI'm not even transgender. You are actually so unfathomably stupid.
>>5680>Taking your own lifeCan you give an actual answer or no?
>Its the only one that its on purpose, usually people don't want to die.Murder is also intentional. You're also ignoring accidental suicides. Additionally you've failed to establish a compelling reason for suicide being the specific cause of death we discuss. What is so different about suicide from other causes of death that warrants it specifically being talked about.
> a state of mind where at being yourself at an particular moment brings you great pleasure>a state of mind where at being yourself at an particular moment brings you great distressAnd why is this the metric that we are using to talk about a hypothetical suicide?
>a human beanOk, but which human being? Any random human whose uncle has died?
>[response to metaphysics question]You misunderstood my point, and I think your response is also incredibly dumb in both verbiage and content. Allow me to rephrase it, are religious answers permissible?
No.5683
This tranny thread is far worse than the original holy shit. This thread and the previous have convinced me once and for all trannies are inherently toxic and should be excised form any community without exception.
No.5684
Its like you're arguing with a crackhead that he should give up crack because its bad, their thing its their reason to live, without it they will ahero.
Which its why its much more productive to just point it out that to other people instead of trying to argue with the junky, many people do not smoke crack because they saw what crack does to you, same thing with them, just put the info out no point to try to save them or make them realize their reality.
What if: this is the same person post-mental and now it lost his capacity to look at it because it might trigger post or ah attempts and now it relies on throwing papers at people because theoretically those papers prove their safe post-free state. We will never know but its a cool lore speculation.
>>5681The spam filter its its indeed crazy
No.5685
It's absolutely insane how the only actual tranny in a thread about wojak spam totally disengaged over a day ago without posting anything controversial because other posters were getting too angry about imageboard drama, and yet somehow those same posters are still blaming their anger/disappointment on trannies while also claiming that trannies are the truly mentally ill ones. Literal textbook example of compartmentalized thought.
No.5687
>>5686You do realize that there is at least 3 differnet people making fun of you right? im not that guy lmao
No.5688
>>5687For not being him, you sure do make the exact same spelling and grammar errors like typing "its" instead of "is" and toddler speech like "point it out that to other people instead of trying to argue."
Bonus points: spelling junkie like a clueless knuckle dragger.
No.5689
>>5688I should add that that you he (being (You)) also frequently replaces "ie" with "y". Like "trannys" and "buddys" instead of "trannies" and "buddies." (You) also fail to use apostrophes half of the time just like him (You). You are also obsessed with my studies somehow proving me wrong just like him, but I suppose that one is just circumstantial.
No.5690
>>5684I think it's because of the bipolar aspect of it, if you think about it it is like when a schizophrenic tries to argue a point which, in their own head makes sense, because it the logic they are following it makes sense only if you follow whatever connection they have made it inside their head which for them it is implicit because they have chosen to believe it so.
Do most trannys have BPD? When you compare it to bpd women the similarities on the self harm, the ideation, and the Depersonalization are 1:1.
Maybe Trannydom its just a symptom of BPD or maybe it could be the other way around? It is actually a very interesting connection that I haven't made before.
No.5691
>>5690I think its because of the effort required to become a tranny, its no easy task to have everybody around you deny your view of reality, it would make anybody crazy. But more on the point Schizophrenics often have unusual movements overall. One of my neighbors has a schizophrenic son who would tiptoe everwhere, even in public. It makes sense only to him. Which its kinda what I mean when I say its futile to try to explain and that you should point it out to others instead what the disease does instead of trying to convince him to stop tip toing.
A lot of people will fall into the trap of thinking that having a nice, logical discussion with a schizophrenic/ will either help the subject come to terms with their delusions, or help the speaker to understand the subject better. In reality, neither is the truth; you can never know what broken connections exist in their brain. And to them, flipping out at, their own quotes makes complete logical sense to them in a way that is literally indescribable.
In addition to that, there will always be a hard wall that can't be penetrated surrounding the source of their obsessions or delusions. Someone who's schizophrenic might be willing to have a perfectly pleasant conversation with you about their favorite book, but they will still turn on you the minute they think you're attempting to attack their wall. I would say that bpd its just a symptom rather than the actual cause, so its trannydom by the way, they were probably crazy before they decided to troon out.
No.5692
>>5691>>5690>>5684When a person is operating on faith there is literally nothing you can say to break through that. It's the same with a lot of shit nowadays.
No.5695
There is no way to give this tranny a mental breakdown because this one was already broken before
What's up with all the 20+ walls of text he expects people to read, how are you gonna convince the average person on the street to not make fun of troons when you just throws papers at them and run away. Truly deranged.
No.5696
>>5685It's funny how you declare some retarded internet users caring about dumb drama on a imageboard to be insane, while at the same time implying that trannies, the most disgusting organisms of all, sick souls who for their abnormal fetish turn their bodies into insulting caricatures of the opposite sex, are somehow sane.
>>5687Why did you have to tell him? Now he will delude himself into believing into some
grand wirechan conspiracy just to avoid admitting his ignorance.
No.5699
>>5697So believing that 2 posters are the same person because they type the same is a senseless conspiracy theory but believing that like at least 3 different people are actually just personalities of one DID having tranny because they all disagree with you is actually a logical conclusion?
>>5692Pottery
No.5700
>>5699You argument would have worked if it wouldn't be for me being one of the people making fun of your pathetic existence. You are delusional, so get help or end yourself.
Also: Your own fucking screenpic proves that you both stated that you are indeed a tranny , only to denie it later.
No.5702
>>5691This is interesting, If we deal with trannies the same way we deal with bpd women the result would be the same though right? Massive mental breakdowns, self harm, suicide, etc.
But the thing with bpd woman is that one can be your cashier, be on the line with you, work in your department and you won't even know, you don't have to deal with them if you don't want to, with troons even if its the guy bagging your groceries there is still a dip in the quality of life of the average person by their existence.
Like schizophrenics, but schizos usually get put into places where they are not a hassle to the general population while with trannies its ok for them to be in the bus with you and try to talk to you and if you move away they'll call you all kinds of phobic. In my personal opinion they are much more in line with schizo than bpd tbh.
No.5703
>>5698We all know you can just delete/edit cookies to get this effect. If not just editing the page outright. This screenshot means nothing.
No.5704
Can we please lock this stupid thread already? It's already devolved into pointless jabs at each other like the last one and there's no point in letting it become another attention whore thread too.
No.5705
>>5697OMG! Milly! hai hii! :3
No.5706
>>5702I think the similarities with bpd are the hiding aspect of it, you can have a bpd co-worker and not even know she is crazy and you can be intoxicated at a bar a not know its a tranny but when you talk to them the real person underneath comes out, the black hole effect its similar too.
A black hole only dies when it’s consumed all the matter it can and eventually fizzles out. It can only exist because matter exists. Just like being trans can only exist by forcing others to feed the illusion.
They contain no internal sense of self and hold no real values or essential beliefs. Their only choice is to act as a parasite that cannot survive without taking from a host. Unfortunately, they will never be satiated because that can only come from internal fulfillment.
Which is why they have to be into EVERYTHING, even if those things do not mesh together,
they claim to be “punk” or “girlie” or “Marxist” or "gamer" or "[insert subculture]" and have to transwash historical figures because being “trans” just means not being you. If your only means to define yourself or relate to the world is dictated by emptiness, there’s no choice but to take from others. Which its the same as bpd imo.
No.5707
>>5706>you can be intoxicated at a bar a not know its a trannyI find this really hard to believe. Basically no ftm passes offline. Online they all use perfectly done up makeup and lighting and filters (often applied automatically by phone cameras with out them even knowing) to hide their male features. Nearly every candid shot of a tranny looks like a completely different person than what they present online and it's even more obvious in person. Humans are
very good at identifying and categorizing other humans. Though mtfs can usually pass. It's easy to turn a women in to a manlet but they get the same treatment as any natural manlet. Nobody gives a shit about them for better or worse. Both men and women are biologically predisposed to ignore small, weak men like what they appear to be. Which tends to be a pretty big shock for them once their female buff goes away.
No.5715
Just found out 8% of dentists kill themselves and far more consider it. I can't believe that we let our children around these mentally ill freaks for "cleanings" and "root canals." They're literally grooming our children with their teeth ideology.
No.5716
>>5714Your post is a good example of why soyfags should not be tolerated on wirechan, nothing good has ever come from them.
In fact, both nazism and trannies are promoted by the current western capitalist elite. The main reason for this is that both kinds do not bring any harm to the current goals of the capitalists, but they do bring benefits, on the one hand because the tranny, as a total slave of his sick and ugly fetish, is always a consumer cow for everything that promises him the "ideal" body, on the other hand the Nazi, eaten up by irrational hatred against the current enemy of the Western press, likes to be used as cannon fodder for the next imperialist war. Also, both varieties will most likely never question the rule of the Western capitalist elites, as they are either far too busy forcing their bodies to undergo disgusting mutations, or sincerely believe that all the world's problems can be traced back to a Semitic nation.
>>5715You're probably just trolling, but just in case you're a particularly stupid and desperate tranny, I'll explain this to you: Everything in the world has reasons, including and especially mental illness. Dentists, for example, often suffer from depression due to stressful work.
Transgenderism, on the other hand, is similar to pedophilia, as you can see, for example, in the fact that trannies dream of being on the toilet together with little girls, or screech that they are after children on their parades that make every normal person gag, which eventually even the capitalist press had to admit. But the biggest difference to pedophilia is of course that trannies mostly don't rape children, rather they try to make people theirs by pornography and other indoctrination methods, since recently also in western schools.
No.5717
>>5716> Transgenderism, on the other hand, is similar to pedophilia, as you can see, for example, in the fact that trannies dream of being on the toilet together with little girls, or screech that they are after children on their parades that make every normal person gag, which eventually even the capitalist press had to admit. But the biggest difference to pedophilia is of course that trannies mostly don't rape children, rather they try to make people theirs by pornography and other indoctrination methods, since recently also in western schools.What. A. Load. Of. Cack.
No.5718
>>5716This is exactly the problem with society right now. We have disgusting groomers and fetishists who want to put children in rooms and on beds alone with people who cover their faces with masks, and people like you support them and make excuses for them. And the worst part is that you literally know what you're doing. You KNOW that most kids are literally scared of seeing destist identified people because of all the grooming and raping that they're doing, and you even think they should even have scheduled visits with kids. Stop making excuses for these unholy things. Stop telling kids that it's ok to get groomed. Stop petending like you don't know what's really going on.
No.5720
>>5717Look here, the tranny has no more arguments and thinks now for lack of brain that this thrown down remark does not make him look even more pathetic. Honestly, if such subjects don't want to accept help to heal themselves from their sick obsession, they should better put a bullet through their skull and stop annoying the rest of the world with their useless existence.
>>5718I think that you accidentally quoted the wrong post and really meant the tranny's reply, otherwise it looks like you are hallucinating.
No.5721
>>5720Uh-huh, whatever you say, buster. At the end of the day, you're still the one who's wanting to groom kids into becoming dentists until they kill themselves. Your teeth ideology is sickening and I can't wait until you either kill yourself or get charged for the sex crimes you're committing.
No.5727
>>5691This /threaded the tranny ass lol
No.5728
>>5720> Look here, the tranny has no more arguments and thinks now for lack of brain that this thrown down remark does not make him look even more pathetic. Honestly, if such subjects don't want to accept help to heal themselves from their sick obsession, they should better put a bullet through their skull and stop annoying the rest of the world with their useless existence.You realize even if you're trolling, it doesn’t make you look any less like an absolute fucking imbecile.
like, what am I supposed to say? "oh golly gee he was just pretending to be a hateful douchebag all along. i've been played like a darn fiddle!"
No.5731
>>5728What if people really do just hate you? What then?
Are you so incredibly full of yourself that the idea of being hated is incomprehensible to you? Many times in this tread people have been accused of trolling for stating perfectly reasonable postilions that happen to be outside of the modern orthodoxy. It's a widespread problem where people can't understand that anyone could disagree with them, much less have actual reasons for doing so.
No.5733
>>5731>perfectly reasonable postilions that happen to be outside of the modern orthodoxyIt's laughable rubbish!!!
>whatever your mental illness makes you see yourself as, it is indeed my opinion that someone who mutilates his own body in the unfulfillable hope of one day passing as another sex is clearly not mentally healthy.
>You are like the pedophiles who also cons,tantly claim that their urge to defile children is equal to love.
>Doesn't it surprise you that no matter where in the world you go, the only ones who declare you "normal" are crazies like you? The only place you exist is in the media-corrupted West, and even here your numbers are in the low single digits and you are either despised or laughed at by everyone.
>Trannys were mentally ill pre transition and now they smoke more weed.
>The truth of their self harms is that they believe their own propaganda. They think cutting themselves up will solve their dysphoria and give them the sexual high they desire. Then when it inevitable causes things to get far worse they can't cope with it and off themselves.
>it's sickos of your ilk who are misogynistic, since it's you who want to force women and even girls (what was that about pedophilia again?) to see you in their toilets.
>It's funny how you declare some retarded internet users caring about dumb drama on a imageboard to be insane, while at the same time implying that trannies, the most disgusting organisms of all, sick souls who for their abnormal fetish turn their bodies into insulting caricatures of the opposite sex, are somehow sane.
>Basically no ftm passes offline. Online they all use perfectly done up makeup and lighting and filters (often applied automatically by phone cameras with out them even knowing) to hide their male features. Nearly every candid shot of a tranny looks like a completely different person than what they present online and it's even more obvious in person.Yet, it's so repetitious, and you can tell it's the same person. There's no bite to it either, very one note.
The fun part for me is that these posts show the narrow minded view that anyone who disagrees simply MUST be trans. I'm not trans and I disagree with you, is that so hard to believe?
No.5734
>>5733That is the same person dude hes the only one still replying to you
No.5736
>>5734I stopped posting after
>>5691 pretty much summed up the thread, now we got:
A retard loser tranny and a retard loser tranny hater, its a match made in heaven, I say let them have it and salt my popcorn please!
No.5738
>>5546>>5546i came here to love lain
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No.5739
>>5738The goobers here only like Jesus of Nazareth
No.5786
>>5546Its the original tranny dead?
No.5789
>>5786My schiizo theory is that the second tranny is the original tranny just post mental break donw
No.5795
Different tran here but wow you're all a bunch of fuckin dipshits, Lain's wasted on y'all.
Hope you fix your awful personalities some day, good luck with that.
No.5797
>>5796Says the guy posting twitter screenshots on an imageboard. Edgelords have no self awareness.
>>5795I get that they're ass hats, but that's exactly why you shouldn't post things like this. They'll see it, and just like they've done the entire thread, they'll ad hom then insist you killed yourself when you don't give in to them or insist they've won when you respond to their mindless drivel.
No.5800
>>5795Holy crap another wrist slicer!!!
How many until we reach 41?
No.5801
An odd bunch of bastards aren't cha?
No.5829
>>5800why do they slice their wrists?
Its it to make the arm ribbed for her pleasure?
No.5830
>>5797>Says the guy posting twitter screenshots on an imageboard. Edgelords have no self awareness. lmao whos gonna tell him