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 No.2777


"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you."

Is the mind set of modern man? The more I try to not use computers the more it becomes a pain in the ass. It feels like just removing a behavior like not masturbating's, not eating meat, not saying curse words. It feels so annoying but technology in it self is so degenerate for a society. yet again it is useful for a society, it helps us socialize and reach out like I am doing now. Technology is useful in situations where a person would normally be fucked other wise, like getting lost in an urban or rural area. It is useful to gaining knowledge, unlimited knowledge on the internet. It is extremely hard to completely expunge a book from existence when PDF of it exist. One PDF could make a thousand copies. There is a positive and negative to technology like the internet.

I been inspired by primitivist to an extent and distance myself from technology off and on. It is always a pain in the ass. No one to talk to, no way to socialize, it feels like the world is set up against physical connection.

But the more I use it the more it drives me up the wall.

 No.2778

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I agree 100%. Porn is pic related.

 No.2779

I think a lot about how internet usage would look like without any of the bad parts, and more and more i'm starting to believe that the effort to limit yourself to only the good parts, or to build something like versatile enough parental control type software, would not be worth the effort.
What is good about the internet?
Books? The vast majority of people that ever lived couldn't even read.
Getting lost? Would you get lost if you had learned to orientate yourself in places you don't know? But why do that if you have a cell phone, google maps, etc.

Obviously i'm not quite living what i'm preaching, but i'm starting to think that those ideas i had as a teenager just after watching Into the Wild, were closer to the truth than all my mental efforts to find a way to only use the "good" parts of modern technology.

 No.2780

technology good unless you are a retard

we wouldnt ban cars because some retard ran 20 people on the sidewalk with a truck because jackdaniels

we wouldnt ban guns because so retard blew his brains out because daddy isssues

we wouldnt ban videogames because some retard went on a postal spree because no gf

we wouldnt ban advil because some retard downed with vodka because his stressful 9-5

we wouldnt ban music because some retard wasted his life trying to make it big because lazy

we wouldnt ban tall buildings because some retard splatered his brains all over the side walk because his band didnt made it big

if anything its consuming your life youre a retard

dont be a retard turn it off
dont ruin it for everybody else

 No.2781

>>2777
The problems I have identified in modern society concerning technology are pretty specific:
1. capitalism makes only allows you to use services nowadays for monthly bills, you don't own licenses anymore.
2. politics try to censor and influence everywhwere
3. and this is the biggest problem: the timelines of every big platform has changed from chronological to algorithmic. Thus bubbles and hypes are forced and people start thinking of algorithms mirroring their own interests as some sort of reality. You can see this especially in twitter bubbles or how all the teens nowadays synchronize in their behavior because they share the same tiktok-hypes. There's nothing local or cultural anymore. They are close to a hivemind.

 No.2782

>>2780
That's really low iq lolbert babble.
I as a non-retard have an issue with all the people around me being mind fucked due to them not being able to handle these technologies the "right way". And how do you expect everyone to handle this?
There are billions put into market research and advertisement to find ways to most efficiently "addict" people to products.
We live in a world that is more and more hostile toward the human brain. OUR SPECIES IS NOT BIOLOGICALLY EQUIPPED TO DEAL WITH THIS.
So what is the great benefit of modern tech that makes us need to accept all the issues?

 No.2783

>>2782

(That is a copypasta if you didn't get it)


>And how do you expect everyone to handle this

I dont lol, remember morpheus quotes in matrix?

But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."

Most people are already far too gone ignorance its bliss all you can do its save yourself and those close to you, unless of course you're planning on a total world government + technocracies take over in which case, lol.


>So what is the great benefit of modern tech that makes us need to accept all the issues?


Modern medcine, paying your bills in a split second, getting everything you ever want need delivered to your door(this is bad if you are a hedonistic retard but good if youre crunched for time), Any cooking recipe ever, modern STEM, Pretty much all of human knowledge ever.

the average person will willingly and happyfully to sell their whole personal information(they already do it for free on social media anyway)
For a map anytime anywhere in the world or the ability to see their grandma across the country.

Yes, they're being farmed, but most of them like it and luckly for us its not the matrix where you are born in it or you have a microchip in your brain, you can literally send a text to your mom and turn it off if and go to the gym take a hike or swim instead of being online 24/7.

When you see a crackhead on the street he its addicted, imagine if you tried to convince every crackhead.

Most of them are lost, statistically very few go back to a healthy life.

Same with porn, social media or candy crush.

 No.2785

>>2783
>(That is a copypasta if you didn't get it)
lmao obviously i didn't

>remember morpheus quotes in matrix?

I agree, however i don't want to red pill the masses.
I think it's fair to say that people are significantly more ill (mentally or otherwise) than they were 10 year ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago. I'd take any NPC from one thousand years ago over the average NPC of current year.

>cooking recipe

People used to know how to cook, know they have the option to learn, but won't since their are much more convenient alternatives.

>grandma across the country

Cars and roads are the reason my grandma lives an hour apart from me.

>crunched for time

A characteristic of modern civilization, no?

>modern medicine

Modern medicine tends to be the most convincing argument but before everyone was converted to materialism, people saw death as an integral part of life. Now people are scared shitless at even the thought of minor discomfort. Young people wanna kill themselves in record numbers, and old people are just waiting for death.

>crackhead

Crack, meth, most drugs weren't an issue 100+ years ago. How would people even buy/sell drugs without cars, telephones etc., not to mention cook meth? Drug cartels and the way they work are recent as well.

So i'm kinda playing devils advocate, going all out here, but i don't see a way to live with all of this as things are becoming worse yet.
Things like genetic engineering, neuralink, even a.i. make me plain scared of the future. I don't see how we'll not have something like a chip in the brain or something similar in 30 years from know.

 No.2786

>>2785
>People used to know how to cook, know they have the option to learn, but won't since their are much more convenient alternatives.

Potatos and fish where i live not sushi or burritos or falafel or anything else from anywhere else.

Why wouldn't you want convinience?

>crunched for time

If you were a medieval peasant you only had sunday off between crops and war
If you were a neet noble maybe you could live the dream.

>Modern medicine tends to be the most convincing argument but before everyone was converted to materialism, people saw death as an integral part of life. Now people are scared shitless at even the thought of minor discomfort. Young people wanna kill themselves in record numbers, and old people are just waiting for death.


So what lol. i dont know these people, if it was my friend feeling suicidal i would try to help them out otherwise who cares lol let them die less cars on the street.

>crackhead

opium was always big, so were mushrooms and alchoholics


Beggars, pickpockets, and drunk poachers were always a thing Crackheads it just the modern name, they werent a thing in caveman times though, but i doubt anybody would want to go that far back.

>grandma across the country


modern planes are the reason my grandma lives 5 hours apart from me instead of 9 months.



I doubt they would force chip in brain without some sort of civilwar victory/ingsoc gov

Maybe in western europe lol

 No.2787

>>2786
>Why wouldn't you want convinience?
BUT AT WHAT COST

>If you were a medieval peasant you only had sunday off between crops and war

People spend more time at work but also more time with their families, communities and so on, and peasants rarely fought in wars.

>i doubt anybody would want to go that far back

Worth considering at least.

>modern planes are the reason my grandma lives 5 hours apart from me instead of 9 months.

People didn't used to travel this far apart from their home town. Nowadays people do so because of jobs etc. They can technically reunite with their family at any time, but they don't.

>crackhead

Opium wasn't a big factor in Europe history, was it? Also what is alcohol against bath salt, krokodil, meth, what have you.

>I doubt they would force chip in brain without some sort of civilwar victory/ingsoc gov

The amount of things people put up with is insane, and the reason, bada bing, comfort and convenience brought to you by modern tech.

>Maybe in western europe lol

Were more fucked that's for sure but "progress" isn't going to make halt at anybodies borders.

 No.2788

>>2787
BUT AT WHAT COST

The cost of some people you dont know and never thinked about being addicted to porn.

If you care about them so much go there and try to change their mind.

>peasants rarely fought in wars

peasants were the bulk of most armies and usually cannon/arrow fodder before noble cavalry rolled in

>People didn't used to travel this far apart from their home town. Nowadays people do so because of jobs etc. They can technically reunite with their family at any time, but they don't.


It took about 9 months to cross the sahara desert and get gold from africa, it took about a year to get spices from india, it took 4 months for a viking to raid england from norway,and so on
Imagine telling them that you cold still talk to your friends and family while on the boat.


>Also what is alcohol against bath salt, krokodil, meth, what have you.


Death its death getting stabbed by a drunk its the same of getting stabbed by a crackhead

>The amount of things people put up with is insane, and the reason, bada bing, comfort and convenience brought to you by modern tech.


There is always people against things, if they forced there would be a ira/hamas/junta situation.

Will you fight like a man or perish like a dog?

>Were more fucked that's for sure but "progress" isn't going to make halt at anybodies borders.


Tell me when you break in your eastern europe neighbors first, otherwise theres too many things to worry about already

 No.2789

>>2788
>peasants were the bulk of most armies
Most medieval wars were fought by mercenaries. In any case, advanced warfare and the economy behind war created issues that weren't there before.

>Imagine telling them that you cold still talk to your friends and family while on the boat.

Most people weren't doing that.

>Death its death

Most of these drugs are more destructive physically and mentally, you don't become an alcoholic after two weeks of heavy drinking, nor do drunks try to eat you for example.

>Tell me when you break in your eastern Europe neighbors first, otherwise theres too many things to worry about already

There was nobody that forced the modern tech dystopia onto western Europe after winning a war or something like that, so that's not what i mean by that.

But regardless "everything was always better" is not the point.
The point is that technology comes with huge problems and we seem to have lost control over it. Fixing it with more technology is questionable, so what can be done?
You don't seem to think that things are too bad but just looking out of the window were i'm living or talking to old classmates is enough to make me disagree.

 No.2790

>>2789
>Most medieval wars were fought by mercenaries.
*post dark-ages
Before that slaves and pesants that goes way back to the early greeks and they fought mostly for land to live in dude to expanding population

>Most people weren't doing that.


They wished they could, it was a thing to talk to your relatives through god, you would as ask him to send them a signal that everything its alright and to recieve one that your wife isnt cheating on you.

>Most of these drugs are more destructive physically and mentally


So what? what are you gonna tell them? just say no?
Everybody told you heroin its bad, you choose to inject it.
If your tribe told you not to eat the berries and you ate it and died its not on them its on you

>The point is that technology comes with huge problems and we seem to have lost control over it.

Inevitable also too late to reverse it.

>You don't seem to think that things are too bad but just looking out of the window were i'm living or talking to old classmates is enough to make me disagree.


I moved out of the shit hole(thanks to modern planes) that my grandma lived in to livable community where everybody isn't addicted to porn or obssesed with instagram.

You sound like you live in a big city, don't be surprised when it does big city things.

And even then, a big city like LA its a completely different thing than Ulaanbaatar for example.

Try to broaden your horizons a bit.

 No.2792

>>2790
I'm not sure what we are arguing about anymore. Do we agree that technology causes more problems than it solves?
Big cities were always more degenerate, but comparing people from the 50s to people now says all you need to know.
Things were bad, now they approach unbearable without signs of slowing.

 No.2793

>>2792
>back in my day
nigger every generation says that its just now we can see how things were back in the day

technology its great and the problems it causes are also solved by new technology which causes more problems in a cycle

you havent provided any reasonable fixes only boomer whining about >back in the day

people on the 50s were watching i love lucy beating up their wives and being literally lobotomized.

thats just the way things are man up and deal with it or kill yourself.

you always also have the option of just go live in the middle of nowhere if that suits your fancy. literally nobodys gonna stop you.

 No.2794

>>2793
>if there is no fix, there is no problem
>deal with it
>boomer
seems almost you're just coping

>you always also have the option of just go live in the middle of nowhere if that suits your fancy. literally nobodys gonna stop you.

They LITERALLY stopped kaczynski doing just that, not to mention countless hunter gatherer tribes, or shit like waco.

There is a problem is all i'm saying, i don't know how this is so disagreeable.

 No.2795

>>2794
coping with what? youre the one that has a problem with this stuff

they stopped ted because he was bombing shit, they stoped waco because it was a cult(and a bunch of other shit thats off topic)
natives have reserves, there are plenty hunter tribes in africa, and plenty of alaskan appalachian mexican and nordic mountain man.

 No.2796

>>2794
also i never said there was no solution, i just said that your solution of going back in time its unrealistic and somewhat retarded.

you can theorize and create the perfect situation on your head all you want if you do nothing the years will pass and you will look back wishing you had done something.

 No.2797

>>2779

I think a lot about how internet usage would look like without any of the bad parts, and more and more i'm starting to believe that the effort to limit yourself to only the good parts, or to build something like versatile enough parental control type software, would not be worth the effort.
What is good about the internet?
Books? The vast majority of people that ever lived couldn't even read.
Getting lost? Would you get lost if you had learned to orientate yourself in places you don't know? But why do that if you have a cell phone, google maps, etc.

My point exactly, you could never get lost if you see a satellite view of the area you are at. Implying you had wifi.

Good and bad parts, I see that too. Any part of technology that involve mindlessly watching/scrolling through something is bad.

 No.2798

>>2778
>>2780

Bro why is this rat so retarded?

 No.2799

>>2781

There is a hive mind that has a near 100% control on the human mind. The thing or the question is if the leader of the technological hivemind is a suicidal addition to the human race. Will a hivemind or this specific hivemind will hold us back or lead to our destruction.

 No.2800

>>2783

>Matrix quote caz cyberpunk in shiet


Did this guy just quote a movie made in Hollywood?

>We got to stop the whole world government from forming


Interpol, central banking system and the UN, the world government is already here. I have no idea why this fear tactic to get people to rebel or fight against something exist.

>No we gotta stop the oneworld government

>No the fascist are going to take over the world
>No the fascist are going to take our freedom
>The world is hiding secrets from us and they are going to forum a world government
>The powers of the world are trying to unite to take freedom from humanity

EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY HAS A LEADER WHO TALK ABOUT THE FATE OF THE EARTH IN A BIG SECRETIVE ROOM. ALL GOVERNMENTS CATCH THE OTHER COUNTRIES FLEEING CRIMINALS. ARE SHITTING ME THIS?

 No.2801

>>2786

People built churches for fun tf are you talking about?

>>2787

My point exactly

>>2788

Technology is good for transport that is for sure. I said there are things that technology brings which help a culture. Guns help a culture not get destroyed by their neighbor, cars and planes help a culture transport people and goods better.

>>2789

I covered this guy's points. Technology has a negatives.

>>2790

I covered the other guys point already. Technology has a good side in communication, warfare and transport to help a nation or culture thrive.

>>2792

The man who sees there is a big negative, a big price humanities new found toys. The other guy sees a positive to technology. The guy who sees the negative has a greater point because he sees both sides to technology. It helps us in many ways but comes at a cost and mental slavery. The point I have been thinking about in my head for awhile. At this point it would be nearly suicidal to go to an early modern age technology like Ted discussed in his book. Yet again technology is extremely degenerate to society, humanity, the psyche, the body and nature as a whole.

 No.2802

>>2795

What does living in the woods actually do? Nothing, it is just hiding from society.

Waco was a cult by what definition?

 No.2803

>>2796

The question of the OP was if we could truly go back. If possible how, saying it is unrealistic is the first step to think a realistic position.

 No.2804

>>2793

This feels like an even bigger cop out then the idea he is going against.

 No.2812

before i say anything im the original dude that you debated and i think we can agree on this

>Good and bad parts, I see that too. Any part of technology that involve mindlessly watching/scrolling through something is bad.


ill check the rest when i have time

 No.2815

>>2795
One of the the reasons given by ted himself for his "actions" was that the forest he lived in was being cut down by some company, starting to destroy parts of ecosystem necessary for him to live there.

The reason i said that it seems like your coping is that we don't really disagree too much, and you say shit like "if there is no fix, there is no problem", "deal with it", "old people always complain about things getting worse", which seems to me like pushing the issues aside due to their weight, that being coping.

 No.2818

>>2800
>Did this guy just quote a movie made in Hollywood?

yes, it coulve been a hitler, michael jackson or a spongebob quote, do you believe to be untrue? Judging things from where they're from instead of what they are its pretty retarded.

>the world government is already here


Yes, and youre more than welcome to start your own ira and try to take them down and go back to caveman, i just think thats not a very smart way to go about it.

>What does living in the woods actually do? Nothing, it is just hiding from society.


Make you feel better. instead of being one of the la instagram slaves you're a cool and free mountain man, isn't that worth it? unless of course you wanna save the world in which case godspeed nigga youre gonna need it.


>waco

the definition of people following a crazy leaders base on a religion, a leaders

>exhume the corpse of a two-decades deceased Davidian in order to demonstrate his spiritual supremacy.

>killed each others
>commited child abuse

and others, im not gonna get into the waco thing since the atf its retarded too, but waco was full of nuts.


>>2804
elaborate

>"if there is no fix, there is no problem

I have never said that, quote please

>deal with it

If you dont deal with it with the problem you admit defeat.

>old people always complain about things getting worse

What does that mean, I just think its annoying when they invoke le old times but things can be flipped by invoking even older times, it provides no fix just nostalgia circle jerk, might make some feel better, annoys me though.

we don't disagree that theres some bad in technology, we disagree on what to do about it, i do not agree with going back to caveman, i havent even posted my side of it.

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>>2799
Most of the matter has its own consciousness. Human consciousness leads to the hivemind that is the preset for the most advanced mind of our local universe substances. Our end, omega point is the birth of our local god, built from unification. You can imagine it as the internet where anyone loves you.

 No.2825

>>2824
Cyber god of the cybernetic hivemind interconnected by an internet where everyone loves you?? WE ARE GOING TO BECOME LAIN YAYYAYYAYAY :33333 YYAYYAYAYAYAAAAA

 No.2826

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>>2818

>sponge bob and Michael Jackson are part of the same Hollywood media so I would take with the same grain of salt. For Hitler, he was a fascist so I would believe his quotes about a complete state of control more then somebody larping as bi-god 20 from a movie made in pedowood.


>Yes, and youre more than welcome to start your own ira and try to take them down and go back to caveman, i just think thats not a very smart way to go about it.


I didn't say to do that but ok.

>Make you feel better. instead of being one of the la instagram slaves you're a cool and free >mountain man, isn't that worth it? unless of course you wanna save the world in which case >godspeed nigga youre gonna need it.


Being a person alone in a little middle of know where shack doesn't do anything. I didn't say take the down the super government. There is better a person can do beside A Be a retarded social media retard B Be a Varg who hides away from society C Go be a rebel and take militant acts towards the evil business like you are in a cyberpunk video game. There are better ways to go, you are just to retarded to see them.

>the definition of people following a crazy leaders base on a religion, a leaders


What is the problem here?

>elaborate


Just say man up is not dealing with it. I just saying you are to stupid handle technology is not dealing with it. Saying every generating is like that so no point in looking in the direction of going back at all so just deal with it. It is a fucking cop out.

 No.2828

>>2826
nigga im sorry but im not answering schizo posts, you are more than welcome to follow your dreams.

just tell me one thing trough your computer screen for a laugh

>There are better ways to go


like what?

 No.2834

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>>2828

Maybe instead of being a misanthrope or a homicidal maniac. Why not shill primitive/ eco ideas and find better ways to apply ideas like being one with nature, Another idea, which I would recommend Varg do instead of being a welfare queen, teach the same ideas that you hold so dear. Again with Varg, instead of hiding away in the woods and being a parasite he could teach paganism. It wouldn't just be his kids learning his ways but the whole youth learning to love nature and the old pagan gods. No he decides to not do anything besides live off the government and make post on twitter. I guess posting youtube vids was a step in the right direction but that is using the internet and a shitty part of the internet at that. Him and you both could think of a lot better ideas then you both are currently.

 No.2843

>>2834
thinking can only take you so far in the real world

why dont you do it instead o of preaching?

lead by example

 No.2865

o>>2834
so not only so you don't wanna deal with the problems of the now even thought there its obvious upsides, you also want to go back in time(and theoretically force everybody else too) in some white saviour shit, but its not willing to do anything else other than tell people what to do to reach said goal.

sorry but a coward its the only label i can find

 No.2871

>>2777
OP gets btfod the thread



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