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 No.1

I want to be able to think without my internal monologue. It's slow, inefficient and sometimes it can be annoying.
Is there a way I can learn or train myself to think without my internal monologue?

 No.2

How do people even think without an internal monologue?

 No.3

>>2
Shapes, images, "gliding voice" (your train of thought isn't at the forefront), patterns, etc..

 No.4

>>1
Without internal monologue you are a hylic, a beast without soul just following through the motions reacting to stimuli, sorta like a fish but more than a dog or a chimp. Stuck in sentience limbo.

 No.5

>>3
Hmm, and what is the definition of internal monologue then?

 No.6

>>5
Thinking with your words.

 No.7

>>2
Yes. Some people can think in other senses such as smell or images/sight, and I've heard of some people being able to think in terms of "action". Or a combination of the above.
>>4
I am not necessarily opposed to this. However, if I find I dislike it during the process I can just stop and revert the process. Assuming this is even possible

 No.8

>>7
If you have reached internal sentience the only way to stop it and still be living its severe brain damage.

 No.9

>>7
This is all very confusing to me. How do you think in terms of smell? I can recall some smells, but how does one use that to think?

 No.10

>>9
>How do you think in terms of smell?
That part was just me being retarded again and saying the wrong shit. But the images and action part are ways people without Internal Monologues think

>>8
I wouldn't consider different modes of thinking as losing sentience, but you may be right that this is impossible.

 No.11

>>10
Smoke a lot of Crack then

 No.12

Why not just do lots of geometry problems? That ought to improve your visual thinking.

 No.340

>>12
I'm not just trying to improve my visual thinking, but rather to think only with it. Doing a lot of visual based problems might actually help with this tho, do you have any recommendations on where I can find a large amount of them?

I think I may have come up with an idea on how to train myself to think without my IM. About two days ago, I over exerted and exhausted myself. During this exhaustion, I was able to "occupy" my IM with "singing" the song that was stuck in my head. And while my IM was "occupied" I was able to think mostly visually.
I think if I make a routine out of doing a lot of visual based thinking, like >>12 said, and pairing that with some restless nights I might be able to train my brain to get used to this mode of thinking.

 No.341

>>340
Proofs without Words? It's subtitle is even "Exercises in Visual Thinking".

 No.342

I wonder if people who regularly write are more likely to have an internal monologue. And people who regularly draw think more often in terms of pictures. My hypothesis is that to write you have to verbalize your thoughts, and when done regularly, verbalizing becomes a habit. To draw you have to visualize your thoughts, and it could also become a habit. For writing one could regularly do "free writing" sessions, 10 minutes or more of non-stop writing, without correcting mistakes or editing whatsoever, just writing down anything that comes to mind, no matter how repetitive. Maybe it could work with drawing too? Just grab a pencil and some paper, set a timer, and draw (or rather, doodle) anything that comes to mind during that time frame?

 No.343

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>>342
I personally don't write that much, and I have an internal monologue, but I have trouble visualizing things without having to concentrate a lot.
Maybe the thing is some people have an easier time visualizing things, but I wouldn't be able to say as to think solely in images. But I am not sure, just what I think/know of this. I could probably ask some people that draw as to their way of thinking.

 No.344

We think with a particular language, because the communication between the Thing we want to see and talk about, its mediated by language, so if you don´t want to use a language as the mediator of your thoughts, go to another form of expression as it have been said before, drawings, geometry, sculpture, etc…
Personally as a musician, most part of the day I have a internal melody instead of the internal monologue, the melody is without any word, just sounds, that in the imagination takes forms depending on the melody that i´m evoking.
I´ve found out that we don´t need to think with words all day, silence is mostly recomended but actually imposible for the mind, that is like a river, and you can´t stop the flow of the water. So I recommend Annie Besant's book "Thought Power its control and culture".
Have a nice day!

 No.345

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>>344
It's also the constant flowing of the words that stop you from reaching a goal when trying to meditate. If you let yourself go, you won't get anywhere, you've got to find your way out of it, and see it from afar. Then you will reach your goal, but if you let yourself go, it's just your mind distracting you/not letting you go beyond. Very interesting, has it always been like this for you? Or did you at one point have an internal monologue that then started to shift to a melody as you became more prolific in your musical skills?

 No.347

I found two methods to test the way my thought works apart from passive introspection:
-Construct a regular thought, but cut it short. Then focus on the lingering thoughts.
-Speed up your thoughts until they resemble an unpredictable stream. Then observe the types of thoughts without individually observing them (stopping the stream).
The second one usually ends with some nasty image though.

So far I found, in addition to a note-like monologue, I have visualizations ranging from consciously detailed to fleeting association images. There is also a type of thought associated with rapid contraction/relaxation of different muscles, but I don't know its meaning yet.

 No.348

You don't think with an internal monologue, it's just there to echo whatever your other modes of thinking are processing.

 No.352

>>348
That's for low(traditional) iq people only

 No.353

>>2
Some people totally think in objects/motion/colors. I think in spoken/written words. I can create images, smells and sounds but it takes more effort than just words.

 No.354

>>348
How do thoughts reach you?

 No.355

>>342
Interacting with other users on this image board in the silence of my home with only text is definitely not helping my visual thinking.



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